Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA future
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texte = Absolutely love the idea of the wiki docs. I was just penning and email = that said much the same thing, Dan. The wiki docs can start as they are = and then improve over time with input.=20 PHP has developers giving of development freely but they also get to = plug themselves as well. Zend is well know for this providing versions = of php tailored to various situations. This won't happen overnight but = having the conduit open is the best option for this change to actually = become effectual. Bob On Jan 14, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Dan Strong wrote: > Another angle is to basically follow Apple's lead. Macs are a "me too" = product given their low market share compared to PCs and are really no = different than PC when you remove all the window dressing ... yeah yeah = I know Macs are prettier and "more friendly" and they made the iPhone = and iTunes, etc, but regarding computers, they run software just like = PCs do, they help us get work done just like PC's do and they crash just = as often as PC's do. Thing is, despite being 3 to 5 times more expensive = than PC's, they managed to capture the hearts and minds of the people = and position themselves as cool and innovative and friendly and they did = this through years of clever, focused marketing ("I'm a Mac, and I'm a = PC") and they also got themselves into the school systems -- get em = hooked while they're young. I think these are viable marketing options = for WebDNA. ...and I'm not trying to fan a mac/pc flame war -- I use = both. >=20 > Also, I hear a lot of people talking about what WSC needs to do to = thrive and compete, etc, but when you look at php, one of the biggest = things that php has going for it is an army of people willing to work = for free. Hard to compete against that, you know? So maybe rather than = pointing out the flaws and complaining about what WSC needs to do, why = not help to do it? If you think the docs are crappy, then why not offer = to help update them? Maybe we could have a wiki and police each other? = You get the idea. Full disclosure: I am a license owner and a = shareholder of WSC, and I am not speaking on behalf of WSC, I am merely = expressing my own individual opinion. >=20 > Just sayin' >=20 > P.S: I am not talking about anyone specifically who is complaining, I = am talking generally. > -Dan >=20 > On 1/14/2010 11:07 AM, Brian Fries wrote: >> In order to win over new customers, WebDNA needs to have a clearly = defined advantage over the competition, especially since the primary = competition (PHP) is free. >>=20 >> As a long-time user of the product, I understand the advantages in = terms of rapid development, simplicity of coding, easy learning curve, = etc. These characteristics plus an extensive body of code that I have = already developed and am loathe to convert to a different environment = are enough to keep me in the WebDNA camp, so long as the product has = good support (thank you WebDNA Corp). >>=20 >> These are not clear enough, however, to convince someone new to = invest in the platform or to convert from a different platform. >>=20 >> To entice switchers / new adopters, the advantages need to be clearly = defined, enhanced to increase the advantages, then marketed in a few big = bold bullet points that the uninitiated can understand. WebDNA cannot be = a me-too product and expect to gain significant new customers. >>=20 >> The chosen bullet points must communicate how WebDNA can help a site = developer perform his or her job faster, better and/or less expensively = than the alternatives. >>=20 >> For example, if you want to market the ease of learning and rapid = development of custom dynamic pages, you need to enhance the features = that provide this. Clarify confusing language syntax. Provide simple, = complete and accurate documentation. Create tutorials and guided lessons = to introduce key concepts. Build visual coding tools for assembling = pages from modular and customizable building blocks. Provide = syntax-checking and debugging tools. Create clean integration with = existing text and html editors. Then market the hell out of these very = real and clearly defined advantages. >>=20 >> Brian Fries >> BrainScan Software >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jan 14, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>=20 >> =20 >>>> What is the 1 thing that you think SMSI could have done better when >>>> they owned WebDNA to make it a more successful product (aside from = the >>>> blatantly obvious end-of-support)? >>>> =20 >>> Marketing. >>>=20 >>> So far every entity that has owned it has failed to market it = effectively. >>>=20 >>> Remember, Bill Gates did not have a better product, he simply = marketed what he had. >>>=20 >>> Sincerely, >>> Kenneth Grome >>> www.KenGrome.com >>>=20 >>> =20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list
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Absolutely love the idea of the wiki docs. I was just penning and email = that said much the same thing, Dan. The wiki docs can start as they are = and then improve over time with input.=20 PHP has developers giving of development freely but they also get to = plug themselves as well. Zend is well know for this providing versions = of php tailored to various situations. This won't happen overnight but = having the conduit open is the best option for this change to actually = become effectual. Bob On Jan 14, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Dan Strong wrote: > Another angle is to basically follow Apple's lead. Macs are a "me too" = product given their low market share compared to PCs and are really no = different than PC when you remove all the window dressing ... yeah yeah = I know Macs are prettier and "more friendly" and they made the iPhone = and iTunes, etc, but regarding computers, they run software just like = PCs do, they help us get work done just like PC's do and they crash just = as often as PC's do. Thing is, despite being 3 to 5 times more expensive = than PC's, they managed to capture the hearts and minds of the people = and position themselves as cool and innovative and friendly and they did = this through years of clever, focused marketing ("I'm a Mac, and I'm a = PC") and they also got themselves into the school systems -- get em = hooked while they're young. I think these are viable marketing options = for WebDNA. ...and I'm not trying to fan a mac/pc flame war -- I use = both. >=20 > Also, I hear a lot of people talking about what WSC needs to do to = thrive and compete, etc, but when you look at php, one of the biggest = things that php has going for it is an army of people willing to work = for free. Hard to compete against that, you know? So maybe rather than = pointing out the flaws and complaining about what WSC needs to do, why = not help to do it? If you think the docs are crappy, then why not offer = to help update them? Maybe we could have a wiki and police each other? = You get the idea. Full disclosure: I am a license owner and a = shareholder of WSC, and I am not speaking on behalf of WSC, I am merely = expressing my own individual opinion. >=20 > Just sayin' >=20 > P.S: I am not talking about anyone specifically who is complaining, I = am talking generally. > -Dan >=20 > On 1/14/2010 11:07 AM, Brian Fries wrote: >> In order to win over new customers, WebDNA needs to have a clearly = defined advantage over the competition, especially since the primary = competition (PHP) is free. >>=20 >> As a long-time user of the product, I understand the advantages in = terms of rapid development, simplicity of coding, easy learning curve, = etc. These characteristics plus an extensive body of code that I have = already developed and am loathe to convert to a different environment = are enough to keep me in the WebDNA camp, so long as the product has = good support (thank you WebDNA Corp). >>=20 >> These are not clear enough, however, to convince someone new to = invest in the platform or to convert from a different platform. >>=20 >> To entice switchers / new adopters, the advantages need to be clearly = defined, enhanced to increase the advantages, then marketed in a few big = bold bullet points that the uninitiated can understand. WebDNA cannot be = a me-too product and expect to gain significant new customers. >>=20 >> The chosen bullet points must communicate how WebDNA can help a site = developer perform his or her job faster, better and/or less expensively = than the alternatives. >>=20 >> For example, if you want to market the ease of learning and rapid = development of custom dynamic pages, you need to enhance the features = that provide this. Clarify confusing language syntax. Provide simple, = complete and accurate documentation. Create tutorials and guided lessons = to introduce key concepts. Build visual coding tools for assembling = pages from modular and customizable building blocks. Provide = syntax-checking and debugging tools. Create clean integration with = existing text and html editors. Then market the hell out of these very = real and clearly defined advantages. >>=20 >> Brian Fries >> BrainScan Software >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jan 14, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>=20 >> =20 >>>> What is the 1 thing that you think SMSI could have done better when >>>> they owned WebDNA to make it a more successful product (aside from = the >>>> blatantly obvious end-of-support)? >>>> =20 >>> Marketing. >>>=20 >>> So far every entity that has owned it has failed to market it = effectively. >>>=20 >>> Remember, Bill Gates did not have a better product, he simply = marketed what he had. >>>=20 >>> Sincerely, >>> Kenneth Grome >>> www.KenGrome.com >>>=20 >>> =20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list. >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >> Bug Reporting: = http://forum.webdna.us/eucabb.html?page=3Dtopics&category=3D288 >> =20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ > Bug Reporting: = http://forum.webdna.us/eucabb.html?page=3Dtopics&category=3D288
Bob Minor
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