Re: [WebDNA] eCommerce in 7.0 but not in 7.1?
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texte = > WebDNA should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution alive, and we will not support it.. > although i have no plans to kill it neither. Hmmmm....Thought you did already, because the commerce tags don't work.... Well ok... I understand and appreciate your position ... we've been using it since 1999 for primarily B2B ecommerce, but have done other things with it as well... I guess instead of wasting my time doing this, I'll recode the stores in PHP, to save time, and use WebDNA for something else, and maybe come back to this down the road sometime.... Thanks for being up front about it..... Rob On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:53 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: > Here what i think: 10 years ago (or more, i don't remember), instead of working on the engine, a developer thought about making WebDNA an "eCommerce application". At this time, it was a pretty neat solution. To ensure additional income, he made the solution tag-dependent (expensive license). This is why WebCatalog became "an eCommerce application" which is one of the reasons it lost the "server-side scripting language" market to PHP. Furthermore, the application has never been evolutive and shows its age. > > WebDNA is a programming language for the web, and a great one: as Patrick McCormick said once, "WebDNA needs to be thought of as the final hack on everything emitted from the server, and those hacks can be as sophisticated or interative as any user could ever want or need". WebDNA should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution alive, and we will not support it, although i have no plans to kill it neither. > > - chris > > > > > On Feb 10, 2012, at 20:31, Rob wrote: > >> "WebDNA deserves a much more modern commerce application" ... Hmmmm.... what is a possible ETA on this one... I've just spent about 10 hours partially re-inventing the wheel on existing stores because of no commerce tags, and am getting a little frustrated with it... It would probably be easier for me just to adapt a PHP solution, then screw with this all weekend... :-( >> >> Sorry.... just venting... long hours... but its kind of annoying having a workable system that is no longer available, and having to find workarounds for everything those tags did... sigh!... about 60% done... then comes the job of transposing those changes into all the stores... I guess once its done it will be a better solution... >> >> The commerce tags don't work on the OS X version 7.0.623. >> >> Rob >> >> >> On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:04 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >> >>> Sorry, can't document this! :-) >>> >>> Seriously... i am not even sure the eCommerce tags work with 7.0 but some of you told me it was working fine. Yes, it works with the version we put online this evening (7.1 linux-64) but again, we do not support these old tags. I think WebDNA deserves a much more modern commerce application. >>> >>> - chris >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 19:48, C. Frank Wolfe wrote: >>> >>>> So which versions/platforms have the undocumented old ecommerence tags? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 11:37 AM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >>>> >>>>> ok, we built a new linux 64bits (7.1.696), available at dev.webdna.us/products.html >>>>> Old eCommerce tags are activated by default and we replaced "unknown" by "WebDNA" (cosmetic issue) >>>>> >>>>> - chris >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 18:33, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The client said he gets the error when this is the only tag >>>>>> in the page: >>>>>> >>>>>> [addlineitem >>>>>> cart=2&sku=GW9032&db=catalog.txt]quantity=1[/addlineitem] >>>>>> >>>>>> The "Unknown" issue is cosmetic only, it appears in the >>>>>> WebDNA Admin pages in "
Unknown Preferences" >>>>>> and in the heading on the security page as "Unknown Security >>>>>> Administration" ... and possibly other places. It seems >>>>>> like there's a tag that's supposed to put a version name >>>>>> there but it defaults to "Unknown" when the tag cannot get >>>>>> the proper value from the software or the prefs. >>>>>> >>>>>> My main concern is the eCommerce issue: If v6.x sites will >>>>>> not run on v7.1 then I should have installed version 7.0 for >>>>>> the client instead of 7.1 ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> Kenneth Grome >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> 7.1 includes the last versions of xalan and xerces, >>>>>>> removes the need for java and libmysql, and we built it >>>>>>> without special care for the eCommerce tags, though we >>>>>>> did not change anything about them neither. Could you >>>>>>> isolate the tag that produces this error? also, could >>>>>>> you explain "I see this problem in the 7.1 admin >>>>>>> interface too"? the more details we have, the better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> sincerely, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 17:04, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>>>>>>> I'm not sure about the most recent build of version 7.0 >>>>>>>> but at least one or more of the previous versions of >>>>>>>> 7.0 ran one of my client's 6.x eCommerce site just >>>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, I installed 7.1 for a new client the other >>>>>>>> day, and he says he cannot get his eCommerce site to >>>>>>>> run on it. Instead he get this error: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> " Unknown does not support eCommerce capabilities. " >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So here's the question: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Given that version 7.1 does not include MySQL stuff, >>>>>>>> and may have had other changes made between it and >>>>>>>> version 7.0 that we were not told about, does this >>>>>>>> mean that version 7.1 will absolutely not process >>>>>>>> eCommerce tags -- and instead it will generate this >>>>>>>> error when it sees an eCommerce tag? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BTW, something else is wrong here too, because the >>>>>>>> error message should not say "Unknown". I think it >>>>>>>> should instead post the version name there. I see >>>>>>>> this problem in the 7.1 admin interface too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>> Kenneth Grome >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are >>>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list
. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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> WebDNA should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution alive, and we will not support it.. > although i have no plans to kill it neither. Hmmmm....Thought you did already, because the commerce tags don't work.... Well ok... I understand and appreciate your position ... we've been using it since 1999 for primarily B2B ecommerce, but have done other things with it as well... I guess instead of wasting my time doing this, I'll recode the stores in PHP, to save time, and use WebDNA for something else, and maybe come back to this down the road sometime.... Thanks for being up front about it..... Rob On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:53 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: > Here what i think: 10 years ago (or more, i don't remember), instead of working on the engine, a developer thought about making WebDNA an "eCommerce application". At this time, it was a pretty neat solution. To ensure additional income, he made the solution tag-dependent (expensive license). This is why WebCatalog became "an eCommerce application" which is one of the reasons it lost the "server-side scripting language" market to PHP. Furthermore, the application has never been evolutive and shows its age. > > WebDNA is a programming language for the web, and a great one: as Patrick McCormick said once, "WebDNA needs to be thought of as the final hack on everything emitted from the server, and those hacks can be as sophisticated or interative as any user could ever want or need". WebDNA should not be restricted to keep this old Commerce solution alive, and we will not support it, although i have no plans to kill it neither. > > - chris > > > > > On Feb 10, 2012, at 20:31, Rob wrote: > >> "WebDNA deserves a much more modern commerce application" ... Hmmmm.... what is a possible ETA on this one... I've just spent about 10 hours partially re-inventing the wheel on existing stores because of no commerce tags, and am getting a little frustrated with it... It would probably be easier for me just to adapt a PHP solution, then screw with this all weekend... :-( >> >> Sorry.... just venting... long hours... but its kind of annoying having a workable system that is no longer available, and having to find workarounds for everything those tags did... sigh!... about 60% done... then comes the job of transposing those changes into all the stores... I guess once its done it will be a better solution... >> >> The commerce tags don't work on the OS X version 7.0.623. >> >> Rob >> >> >> On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:04 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >> >>> Sorry, can't document this! :-) >>> >>> Seriously... i am not even sure the eCommerce tags work with 7.0 but some of you told me it was working fine. Yes, it works with the version we put online this evening (7.1 linux-64) but again, we do not support these old tags. I think WebDNA deserves a much more modern commerce application. >>> >>> - chris >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 19:48, C. Frank Wolfe wrote: >>> >>>> So which versions/platforms have the undocumented old ecommerence tags? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 11:37 AM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >>>> >>>>> ok, we built a new linux 64bits (7.1.696), available at dev.webdna.us/products.html >>>>> Old eCommerce tags are activated by default and we replaced "unknown" by "WebDNA" (cosmetic issue) >>>>> >>>>> - chris >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 18:33, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The client said he gets the error when this is the only tag >>>>>> in the page: >>>>>> >>>>>> [addlineitem >>>>>> cart=2&sku=GW9032&db=catalog.txt]quantity=1[/addlineitem] >>>>>> >>>>>> The "Unknown" issue is cosmetic only, it appears in the >>>>>> WebDNA Admin pages in "Unknown Preferences" >>>>>> and in the heading on the security page as "Unknown Security >>>>>> Administration" ... and possibly other places. It seems >>>>>> like there's a tag that's supposed to put a version name >>>>>> there but it defaults to "Unknown" when the tag cannot get >>>>>> the proper value from the software or the prefs. >>>>>> >>>>>> My main concern is the eCommerce issue: If v6.x sites will >>>>>> not run on v7.1 then I should have installed version 7.0 for >>>>>> the client instead of 7.1 ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> Kenneth Grome >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> 7.1 includes the last versions of xalan and xerces, >>>>>>> removes the need for java and libmysql, and we built it >>>>>>> without special care for the eCommerce tags, though we >>>>>>> did not change anything about them neither. Could you >>>>>>> isolate the tag that produces this error? also, could >>>>>>> you explain "I see this problem in the 7.1 admin >>>>>>> interface too"? the more details we have, the better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> sincerely, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 17:04, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>>>>>>> I'm not sure about the most recent build of version 7.0 >>>>>>>> but at least one or more of the previous versions of >>>>>>>> 7.0 ran one of my client's 6.x eCommerce site just >>>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, I installed 7.1 for a new client the other >>>>>>>> day, and he says he cannot get his eCommerce site to >>>>>>>> run on it. Instead he get this error: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> " Unknown does not support eCommerce capabilities. " >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So here's the question: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Given that version 7.1 does not include MySQL stuff, >>>>>>>> and may have had other changes made between it and >>>>>>>> version 7.0 that we were not told about, does this >>>>>>>> mean that version 7.1 will absolutely not process >>>>>>>> eCommerce tags -- and instead it will generate this >>>>>>>> error when it sees an eCommerce tag? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BTW, something else is wrong here too, because the >>>>>>>> error message should not say "Unknown". I think it >>>>>>>> should instead post the version name there. I see >>>>>>>> this problem in the 7.1 admin interface too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>> Kenneth Grome >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are >>>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list . >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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