Re: Doesn't change (WebCat 4.0)
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texte = Jay, this example clearly illustrates one of the *first* problems I discovered with the new 4.0 variable hierarchy whenever someone declares a page variable value before that variable is used in a showif context.If in fact Nitai has set her action variable to any value other than save1 before her showif context, then this directly applies to Nitai's problem. Heres how it works:If Nitai used this code (or something like it) anywhere in the page *before* her showif context:[text]action=[/text]... then the value of the incoming formvariable named save1 will be overridden by the 'blank' value set in the text context. This will cause the showif to hide the enclosed code -- which is the exact *opposite* of the default behavior in version 3.x.This is why I *specifically* asked Nitai whether or not she had declared the value of action as a text variable. You may not know it, but it is a very common practice for webdna coding professionals to set their text variables to blank values at the top of the page, because doing so allows us to use simple showif comparisons like this:[showif [var1]=]... instead of the more difficult and time-consuming:[showif [var1]=[raw][var1][/raw]]Therefore, anyone who has been pre-setting their text variables in this manner is subject to having their code fail when they upgrade to version 4 -- unless they perform one of the tasts I mentioned in my previous message (still quoted below).If Nitai *has* declared a value for action anywhere in the page before her showif context, then that is exactly what is causing this template to fail on version 4. Of course, if that's not the situation, then maybe she is running into the bug I found yesterday -- which SM has not yet followed up on -- or maybe she has uncovered another new bug.I am very curious about the facts of this situation. So far I have not seen the webdna code in its entirety, so my theory is just that -- a theory.Nitai, will you please post (or email me privately) the complete katadd.tpl template? You can simply attach it to an email message if you contact me privately.And if you post the complete page to this talk list, maybe one or more of us can help you to find the problem. SM never found this problem in their beta testing, or you wouldn't be dealing with it now, would you?I think you might benefit from others on the list seeing what's actually going on here. We are all here to support each other, so just 'show us your code' and we will help as much as we can!:)>This has nothing to do with the variable hierarchy.... > >>Nitai, >> >>You don't have to go thru SM's tech support procedures to get this >>problem resolved. This is a *perfect* example of how the new 4.0 >>default variable hierarchy can break your existing templates ... >> >>You probably preset the value of the action variable to a blank >>value at the top of the atadd.tpl page, didn't you? Lots of us have >>adopted this coding technique during the past year or two to clean up >>our code and to make our coding work easier ... >> >>Unfortunately, if you try to use the new default variable hierarchy, >>this technique will no longer be possible -- because incoming >>formvariables will never override the preset text variable values in >>the new default hierarchy. >> >>Therefore, to make your site work the way it used to with version 3, >>you must now: >> >>1- Get rid of all your preset text and math variable values *and* >>change all your showif's and hideif's that compare like this: [showif >>[var1]=] to this kind of comparison instead: [showif >>[var1]=[raw][var1][/raw]] >> >>OR you can ... >> >>2- Change all your [text] tags to [text secure=f] tags. >> >>OR you can ... >> >>3- Change the insecureTextVars preference from 0 to 1. >> >> >>Obviously #3 is the easiest ... :) >> >> >>>Please coordinate this directly through webcatalog@smithmicro.com so >>>that we can track this down quickly... >>> >>>Make sure to include specifics about what doesn't work -- what is it doing? >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>>Now, I don't know if this is the text thing we have talked about >>>>it but lets >>>>see: >>>> >>>>I have this form> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>And on katadd.tpl this: >>>> >>>>[showif [action]=save1] >>>> >>>>[search db=../data/kat.db&gekatiddata=0&katidtype=numm&dekatidsort=1&max=1] >>>>[math show=f]newnummer=[founditems][katid][/founditems]+1[/math] >>>>[/search] >>>> >>>>[append >>>>db=../data/kat.db]katid=[newnummer]&kat1=[url][__kat1][/url][/append] >>>> >>>>[/showif] >>>> >>>>Now with WebCat 3.x this works fine, but with WebCat 4.0 it doesn't. Any >>>>clues? >>>> >>>>TIA. >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Nitai >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Ecommerce für Ihre Ziele >>>>Eyework - http://eyework.net/ >>>> >>>>EMail: Info@eyework.net >>>>Tel: +41 (0)52 / 654 15 55, Fax: +41 (0)52 / 654 15 59 >>>> > >Jay Van Vark *********************************** >Smith Micro, Internet Solutions Div | eCommerce (WebCatalog) >16855 West Bernardo Drive | Software & Site Development >Suite 380 | http://www.smithmicro.com/isd >San Diego, CA 92127 | ------------------------- >858.675.1106 | Wireless WebDNA >858.675.0372 (fax) *********************************** > >NASDQ: SMSI > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list
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Jay, this example clearly illustrates one of the *first* problems I discovered with the new 4.0 variable hierarchy whenever someone declares a page variable value before that variable is used in a showif context.If in fact Nitai has set her action variable to any value other than save1 before her showif context, then this directly applies to Nitai's problem. Heres how it works:If Nitai used this code (or something like it) anywhere in the page *before* her showif context:[text]action=[/text]... then the value of the incoming formvariable named save1 will be overridden by the 'blank' value set in the text context. This will cause the showif to hide the enclosed code -- which is the exact *opposite* of the default behavior in version 3.x.This is why I *specifically* asked Nitai whether or not she had declared the value of action as a text variable. You may not know it, but it is a very common practice for webdna coding professionals to set their text variables to blank values at the top of the page, because doing so allows us to use simple showif comparisons like this:[showif [var1]=]... instead of the more difficult and time-consuming:[showif [var1]=[raw][var1][/raw]]Therefore, anyone who has been pre-setting their text variables in this manner is subject to having their code fail when they upgrade to version 4 -- unless they perform one of the tasts I mentioned in my previous message (still quoted below).If Nitai *has* declared a value for action anywhere in the page before her showif context, then that is exactly what is causing this template to fail on version 4. Of course, if that's not the situation, then maybe she is running into the bug I found yesterday -- which SM has not yet followed up on -- or maybe she has uncovered another new bug.I am very curious about the facts of this situation. So far I have not seen the webdna code in its entirety, so my theory is just that -- a theory.Nitai, will you please post (or email me privately) the complete katadd.tpl template? You can simply attach it to an email message if you contact me privately.And if you post the complete page to this Talk List, maybe one or more of us can help you to find the problem. SM never found this problem in their beta testing, or you wouldn't be dealing with it now, would you?I think you might benefit from others on the list seeing what's actually going on here. We are all here to support each other, so just 'show us your code' and we will help as much as we can!:)>This has nothing to do with the variable hierarchy.... > >>Nitai, >> >>You don't have to go thru SM's tech support procedures to get this >>problem resolved. This is a *perfect* example of how the new 4.0 >>default variable hierarchy can break your existing templates ... >> >>You probably preset the value of the action variable to a blank >>value at the top of the atadd.tpl page, didn't you? Lots of us have >>adopted this coding technique during the past year or two to clean up >>our code and to make our coding work easier ... >> >>Unfortunately, if you try to use the new default variable hierarchy, >>this technique will no longer be possible -- because incoming >>formvariables will never override the preset text variable values in >>the new default hierarchy. >> >>Therefore, to make your site work the way it used to with version 3, >>you must now: >> >>1- Get rid of all your preset text and math variable values *and* >>change all your showif's and hideif's that compare like this: [showif >>[var1]=] to this kind of comparison instead: [showif >>[var1]=[raw][var1][/raw]] >> >>OR you can ... >> >>2- Change all your [text] tags to [text secure=f] tags. >> >>OR you can ... >> >>3- Change the insecureTextVars preference from 0 to 1. >> >> >>Obviously #3 is the easiest ... :) >> >> >>>Please coordinate this directly through webcatalog@smithmicro.com so >>>that we can track this down quickly... >>> >>>Make sure to include specifics about what doesn't work -- what is it doing? >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>>Now, I don't know if this is the text thing we have talked about >>>>it but lets >>>>see: >>>> >>>>I have this form> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>And on katadd.tpl this: >>>> >>>>[showif [action]=save1] >>>> >>>>[search db=../data/kat.db&gekatiddata=0&katidtype=numm&dekatidsort=1&max=1] >>>>[math show=f]newnummer=[founditems][katid][/founditems]+1[/math] >>>>[/search] >>>> >>>>[append >>>>db=../data/kat.db]katid=[newnummer]&kat1=[url][__kat1][/url][/append] >>>> >>>>[/showif] >>>> >>>>Now with WebCat 3.x this works fine, but with WebCat 4.0 it doesn't. Any >>>>clues? >>>> >>>>TIA. >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Nitai >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Ecommerce für Ihre Ziele >>>>Eyework - http://eyework.net/ >>>> >>>>EMail: Info@eyework.net >>>>Tel: +41 (0)52 / 654 15 55, Fax: +41 (0)52 / 654 15 59 >>>> > >Jay Van Vark *********************************** >Smith Micro, Internet Solutions Div | eCommerce (WebCatalog) >16855 West Bernardo Drive | Software & Site Development >Suite 380 | http://www.smithmicro.com/isd >San Diego, CA 92127 | ------------------------- >858.675.1106 | Wireless WebDNA >858.675.0372 (fax) *********************************** > >NASDQ: SMSI > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/================================ Kenneth Grome, WebDNA Consultant 808-737-6499 http://webdna.net ================================------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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