Re: Here we go again...
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2006
It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 66810
interpreted = N
texte = Boy, I'm gone for less than a week and all hell breaks loose!! ;-)While Ken does have a sound business and great references, you canoffer up your project for a bid on numerous sites likehttp://www.codelance.com and then choose your supplier.Sal D'AnnaOn 4/6/06, Bess Ho
wrote:> Pricing is going up...?>> -----Original Message-----> From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of> Kenneth Grome> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:26 AM> To: WebDNA Talk> Subject: Re: Here we go again...>>> Hi Bess,>> It's $20 per hour now.>> Sincerely,> Kenneth Grome>> owner@kengrome.com> kengrome@gmail.com> www.kengrome.com>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:29:11 -0700, Bess Ho wrote:> > Kenneth,> >> > What is the hourly charge for your php programmers? I will consider> > this service for my personal use if it is reasonable.> >> > I want to build something for myself but I don't have the time to do so=..> >> > Bess> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of> > Kenneth Grome> > Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 7:41 PM> > To: WebDNA Talk> > Subject: Re: Here we go again...> >> >> >> Performance really comes down to how things> >> are structured. Code for scale and I don't see> >> any limitations with webdna.> >> > This assumes that it's practical or possible to "code for scale" in> > webdna all the time. But this is not always possible ...> >> > In the example I just gave a day or so ago it was practically> > impossible to "code for scale". Maybe you have not personally> > experienced this type of situation and that's why you don't see any> > limitations in webdna, but I have seen this situation -- more than> > once -- and it's not a fun situation to be in when you love webdna> > and want to use it for everything.> >> > In my recent example the data came from another source -- a source> > that uses FMPro as its original database. This is not some little> > company either, it is the leader in its industry.> >> > To make this data work in webdna means exporting it as tab-delimited> > text files, then using those resulting flat files -- and whatever> > coding techniques are available in webdna -- to get the search> > results required by the client. The problem is that the data is not> > structured for efficient use of webdna (by any stretch of the> > imagination) so webdna is pathetically slow when doing the kind of> > searches the client requires.> >> > As the web developer on this project, I did not have authorization to> > go in and reformat these multi-megabyte data files in order to "make> > them work" with webdna. This would have taken 10-20 times as long as> > trying another software. Besides, I was not convinced that webdna> > would perform as well as MySQL even if we did go in and reformat the> > databases to optimize them for webdna -- because I've seen slow> > performance in similar situations before when using webdna on such> > large data sets (without nested searches) -- and I didn't want the> > client to have to pay for all that labor only to find that webdna> > still couldn't handle the task.> >> > So instead of "coding or scale" which would have meant restructuring> > the database files that we exported from FMPro, I had my put> > everything we had into PHP/MySQL. It took him less than 10 hours to> > do this (at $1.20 an hour for his labor) ... so for about twelve> > bucks I was able to see that PHP/MySQL was far superior to webdna in> > this situation. This saved the client hundreds if not thousands of> > dollars over using a webdna solution.> >> > The bottom line here is that webdna has serious limitations that make> > it a poor substitute for MySQL in certain situations. In these> > situations MySQL and other truly relational data systems are far> > better suited to the tasks at hand.> >> > Sincerely,> > Kenneth Grome> >> > owner@kengrome.com> > kengrome@gmail.com> > www.kengrome.com> >> >> >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------> > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> > the mailing list .> > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------> > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> > the mailing list .> > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/> >> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/>> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/>-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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Boy, I'm gone for less than a week and all hell breaks loose!! ;-)While Ken does have a sound business and great references, you canoffer up your project for a bid on numerous sites likehttp://www.codelance.com and then choose your supplier.Sal D'AnnaOn 4/6/06, Bess Ho wrote:> Pricing is going up...?>> -----Original Message-----> From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of> Kenneth Grome> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:26 AM> To: WebDNA Talk> Subject: Re: Here we go again...>>> Hi Bess,>> It's $20 per hour now.>> Sincerely,> Kenneth Grome>> owner@kengrome.com> kengrome@gmail.com> www.kengrome.com>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:29:11 -0700, Bess Ho wrote:> > Kenneth,> >> > What is the hourly charge for your php programmers? I will consider> > this service for my personal use if it is reasonable.> >> > I want to build something for myself but I don't have the time to do so=..> >> > Bess> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of> > Kenneth Grome> > Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 7:41 PM> > To: WebDNA Talk> > Subject: Re: Here we go again...> >> >> >> Performance really comes down to how things> >> are structured. Code for scale and I don't see> >> any limitations with webdna.> >> > This assumes that it's practical or possible to "code for scale" in> > webdna all the time. But this is not always possible ...> >> > In the example I just gave a day or so ago it was practically> > impossible to "code for scale". Maybe you have not personally> > experienced this type of situation and that's why you don't see any> > limitations in webdna, but I have seen this situation -- more than> > once -- and it's not a fun situation to be in when you love webdna> > and want to use it for everything.> >> > In my recent example the data came from another source -- a source> > that uses FMPro as its original database. This is not some little> > company either, it is the leader in its industry.> >> > To make this data work in webdna means exporting it as tab-delimited> > text files, then using those resulting flat files -- and whatever> > coding techniques are available in webdna -- to get the search> > results required by the client. The problem is that the data is not> > structured for efficient use of webdna (by any stretch of the> > imagination) so webdna is pathetically slow when doing the kind of> > searches the client requires.> >> > As the web developer on this project, I did not have authorization to> > go in and reformat these multi-megabyte data files in order to "make> > them work" with webdna. This would have taken 10-20 times as long as> > trying another software. Besides, I was not convinced that webdna> > would perform as well as MySQL even if we did go in and reformat the> > databases to optimize them for webdna -- because I've seen slow> > performance in similar situations before when using webdna on such> > large data sets (without nested searches) -- and I didn't want the> > client to have to pay for all that labor only to find that webdna> > still couldn't handle the task.> >> > So instead of "coding or scale" which would have meant restructuring> > the database files that we exported from FMPro, I had my put> > everything we had into PHP/MySQL. It took him less than 10 hours to> > do this (at $1.20 an hour for his labor) ... so for about twelve> > bucks I was able to see that PHP/MySQL was far superior to webdna in> > this situation. This saved the client hundreds if not thousands of> > dollars over using a webdna solution.> >> > The bottom line here is that webdna has serious limitations that make> > it a poor substitute for MySQL in certain situations. In these> > situations MySQL and other truly relational data systems are far> > better suited to the tasks at hand.> >> > Sincerely,> > Kenneth Grome> >> > owner@kengrome.com> > kengrome@gmail.com> > www.kengrome.com> >> >> >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------> > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> > the mailing list .> > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------> > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> > the mailing list .> > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/> >> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/>> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/>-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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