Re: OT: SEO
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texte = Stuart Tremain wrote: > We use http://www.iprospect.com > > Spent about $150k with them last year, clients are very happy with > their outcome. Most of which would have been better spent on a programmer.. IMO. [rant] SEO's are, more often than not, a pain (IMNSHO). Sometimes I think these guys are getting paid more for their "Magic" than any other accountable service. O.K., I will admit that those who are actually reputable (I don't know that there are that many), will have an edge over your do it all programmers. However, all to often, I see these companies getting paid way too much for a service that is not that magical and, seemingly to me, barely justifiable. Am I alone on this? Here is a typical scenario for me... A client has me do some database driven stuff for their website. He also has an SEO do "stuff" for the website. SEO guy will then hire me to add meta fields to the products and categories database (or what have you), and then edit the respective public pages to reflect the content. The SEO guy will also create a bunch of static pages that each contain non-included header info. The client will then change his mind on the header images etc. I then am hired to change all the SEO pages to match the new header look and feel. In the end, my client ends up with a home page that looks like a spam email... containing suspect links and non-related links etc.. The end result is, yes, my client is happy even though he/she has paid for redundant services (btw, the SEO companies always get paid double what I do). The client is also happy (most of the time) because the SEO guy was able to get the site ranked. The SEO guy is happy of course (he's getting paid twice what I do for half the skill needed ;-) ), and I am left with this bitter sweet feeling of; Well, I got more work out it, and; my client has to pay for unnecessary things. The thing is, I'm usually not in the position to say this stuff to my client at the time about this and it all seems to work out in the end. But, these are the usual feelings I am left with. I think there are valid reasons to hire an SEO. If a company is looking to get things done quickly, spreading out the workload in this way may help. Also, I suppose there are a few resources that an SEO would have over your average do-it-all programmer... such as shared link resources, and perhaps some of the latest tricks etc.. So in the case, that an organization wants the very top notch SEO compatibility, a valid SEO may be a good choice. So no offense to those valid SEO companies out there. I am always striving for fair business regarding the internet. The internet field is a haven for shady business practices, and it is my opinion that SEO's are among the top players. I say, for most situations, spend your money on a programmer/designer... it'll go farther for the same or better results. [/rant] Donovan -- =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o DONOVAN D. BROOKE EUCA Design Center <- Web Development (specializing in eCommerce),-> <- Desktop Publishing, Print Consulting, Labels -> <- Glass Blowing, and Art Glass -> PH/FAX:> 1 (608) 770-3822 Web:> http://www.egg.bz | http://www.euca.us =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list
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Stuart Tremain wrote: > We use http://www.iprospect.com > > Spent about $150k with them last year, clients are very happy with > their outcome. Most of which would have been better spent on a programmer.. IMO. [rant] SEO's are, more often than not, a pain (IMNSHO). Sometimes I think these guys are getting paid more for their "Magic" than any other accountable service. O.K., I will admit that those who are actually reputable (I don't know that there are that many), will have an edge over your do it all programmers. However, all to often, I see these companies getting paid way too much for a service that is not that magical and, seemingly to me, barely justifiable. Am I alone on this? Here is a typical scenario for me... A client has me do some database driven stuff for their website. He also has an SEO do "stuff" for the website. SEO guy will then hire me to add meta fields to the products and categories database (or what have you), and then edit the respective public pages to reflect the content. The SEO guy will also create a bunch of static pages that each contain non-included header info. The client will then change his mind on the header images etc. I then am hired to change all the SEO pages to match the new header look and feel. In the end, my client ends up with a home page that looks like a spam email... containing suspect links and non-related links etc.. The end result is, yes, my client is happy even though he/she has paid for redundant services (btw, the SEO companies always get paid double what I do). The client is also happy (most of the time) because the SEO guy was able to get the site ranked. The SEO guy is happy of course (he's getting paid twice what I do for half the skill needed ;-) ), and I am left with this bitter sweet feeling of; Well, I got more work out it, and; my client has to pay for unnecessary things. The thing is, I'm usually not in the position to say this stuff to my client at the time about this and it all seems to work out in the end. But, these are the usual feelings I am left with. I think there are valid reasons to hire an SEO. If a company is looking to get things done quickly, spreading out the workload in this way may help. Also, I suppose there are a few resources that an SEO would have over your average do-it-all programmer... such as shared link resources, and perhaps some of the latest tricks etc.. So in the case, that an organization wants the very top notch SEO compatibility, a valid SEO may be a good choice. So no offense to those valid SEO companies out there. I am always striving for fair business regarding the internet. The internet field is a haven for shady business practices, and it is my opinion that SEO's are among the top players. I say, for most situations, spend your money on a programmer/designer... it'll go farther for the same or better results. [/rant] Donovan -- =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o DONOVAN D. BROOKE EUCA Design Center <- Web Development (specializing in eCommerce),-> <- Desktop Publishing, Print Consulting, Labels -> <- Glass Blowing, and Art Glass -> PH/FAX:> 1 (608) 770-3822 Web:> http://www.egg.bz | http://www.euca.us =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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