<= /div>
They must be caching all parameters by session. Tags are = called overlays and use this syntax: = <<overlay>>
This would probably = make me go blind - <font color=3D<<color>>>Hello = World</font>. Now imagine how equations would = look.
The CGI = has to have sufficient permissions to read and write to the GCI folder, = where all the db stuff gets stored by = default.
The user interface is a control panel = opened on port 80 with just a password. Within that control panel is a = shell function that provides terminal access. = Yikes.
You can buy "H2O Builder" for $50 which = is a web-based text editor that probably has some specific H20 features. = Not sure.
Control panel also has a = dbConsole applet that featurea Select, Edit, Search, Purge, Index, = Create, Change, Import, Export, Copy, Delete, and Info commands for, = supposedly, directly managing databases. The overlay syntax can also = interact with data. Data is in 4GL format and is saved into a = directory inside the GCI directory. I think the database is disk = centric, rather than RAM.
There is also a = separate, commercial package called BundleBee, which I think, can bundle = your web apps into stand-alone CGIs. You can also purchase other = CGIs that seem to be the results of this; Time Slips, Vacation Requests, = and other business-related things. Some are pretty = expensive.
The free version is H2O which seems = to have all the function without any support, and limits the size of = databases to 500 records.
In some ways it seems = similar to WebDNA, and they seem to generate a lot of revenue by = undermining their developers and selling applications as stand-alone = products.
I wonder how it handles = load.
Pat
On Sep = 22, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote:
I = have never used HTML/OS that's why I was asking if anyone
else has, = so I could get some first-hand feedback. Some of
the = descriptions on the Aestiva website sound a lot like
WebDNA and it = has some interesting features that are rather
appealing -- if they = actually work:
For one, you apparently do not have to pass = variable
name=3Dvalue pairs from page to page because once they are =
created they remain available on all pages. In other =
words, the server 'maintains the state of the visitor'
somehow. = Don't ask me how, but that's what is claimed. I
would = like to know how they do this but I haven't found
anything yet in = the online info that explains it and I
haven't experimented with it = to figure it out myself yet.
Another feature I found to be rather = attractive is that once
it is installed, it is managed by a control = panel which
provides all the tools needed to create and administer = the
databases, plus the tools for installing seamless upgrades. =
It looks kind of like a cPanel for HTML/OS, and I think =
something similar for WebDNA would make it easier for
beginners = to use sometimes.
But the thing that most interested me is that = it is
apparently possible to develop self-contained HTML/OS apps =
that you can sell to your customers, and they will install
on = practically any server, even if all the customer has is
a cheap $% = per month hosting account on a shared server!
I'm pretty sure = this is because it is just
an 'old-fashioned cgi' that runs in = practically any cgi-bin
folder on any server. This probably = means it will not be
the fastest solution for a heavily visited = website, but
then again ...
If I develop something like a = simple home budget tool in
HTML/OS I should never have a problem = with its installation
on whatever server the customer happens to be = using.
Imagine developing and selling 100,000 copies of = a $5 or
program that "just works" on all servers!
I'm not = sure if it makes sense for WebDNA to move in the
direction of = offering similar capabilities to the ones I've
mentioned here. = Even if this is the way Chris and Donoval
choose to go, my = guess is that such new features will have
to wait until some of the = existing bugs and other
long-standing issues are corrected first. =
But it is rather interesting to consider some new =
possibilities for WebDNA's long-term = future!
:)
Sincerely,
Ken = Grome
---------------------------------------------------------
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> This would probably make me go blind - >>Hello World. Now imagine how equations would look. The CGI has to have sufficient permissions to read and write to the GCI folder, where all the db stuff gets stored by default. The user interface is a control panel opened on port 80 with just a password. Within that control panel is a shell function that provides terminal access. Yikes. You can buy "H2O Builder" for $50 which is a web-based text editor that probably has some specific H20 features. Not sure. Control panel also has a dbConsole applet that featurea Select, Edit, Search, Purge, Index, Create, Change, Import, Export, Copy, Delete, and Info commands for, supposedly, directly managing databases. The overlay syntax can also interact with data. Data is in 4GL format and is saved into a directory inside the GCI directory. I think the database is disk centric, rather than RAM. There is also a separate, commercial package called BundleBee, which I think, can bundle your web apps into stand-alone CGIs. You can also purchase other CGIs that seem to be the results of this; Time Slips, Vacation Requests, and other business-related things. Some are pretty expensive. The free version is H2O which seems to have all the function without any support, and limits the size of databases to 500 records. In some ways it seems similar to WebDNA, and they seem to generate a lot of revenue by undermining their developers and selling applications as stand-alone products. I wonder how it handles load. Pat On Sep 22, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote: > I have never used HTML/OS that's why I was asking if anyone > else has, so I could get some first-hand feedback. Some of > the descriptions on the Aestiva website sound a lot like > WebDNA and it has some interesting features that are rather > appealing -- if they actually work: > > For one, you apparently do not have to pass variable > name=value pairs from page to page because once they are > created they remain available on all pages. In other > words, the server 'maintains the state of the visitor' > somehow. Don't ask me how, but that's what is claimed. I > would like to know how they do this but I haven't found > anything yet in the online info that explains it and I > haven't experimented with it to figure it out myself yet. > > Another feature I found to be rather attractive is that once > it is installed, it is managed by a control panel which > provides all the tools needed to create and administer the > databases, plus the tools for installing seamless upgrades. > It looks kind of like a cPanel for HTML/OS, and I think > something similar for WebDNA would make it easier for > beginners to use sometimes. > > But the thing that most interested me is that it is > apparently possible to develop self-contained HTML/OS apps > that you can sell to your customers, and they will install > on practically any server, even if all the customer has is > a cheap $% per month hosting account on a shared server! > I'm pretty sure this is because it is just > an 'old-fashioned cgi' that runs in practically any cgi-bin > folder on any server. This probably means it will not be > the fastest solution for a heavily visited website, but > then again ... > > If I develop something like a simple home budget tool in > HTML/OS I should never have a problem with its installation > on whatever server the customer happens to be using. > Imagine developing and selling 100,000 copies of a $5 or > program that "just works" on all servers! > > I'm not sure if it makes sense for WebDNA to move in the > direction of offering similar capabilities to the ones I've > mentioned here. Even if this is the way Chris and Donoval > choose to go, my guess is that such new features will have > to wait until some of the existing bugs and other > long-standing issues are corrected first. > > But it is rather interesting to consider some new > possibilities for WebDNA's long-term future! > > :) > > Sincerely, > Ken Grome > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ > --Apple-Mail-16--933932533 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The URL always contains = htmlos.cgi, followed by a long key. (ht= tp://localhost/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/001.81.037844584963943928)<= /div>
They must be caching all parameters by session. Tags are = called overlays and use this syntax: = <<overlay>>
This would probably = make me go blind - <font color=3D<<color>>>Hello = World</font>. Now imagine how equations would = look.
The CGI = has to have sufficient permissions to read and write to the GCI folder, = where all the db stuff gets stored by = default.
The user interface is a control panel = opened on port 80 with just a password. Within that control panel is a = shell function that provides terminal access. = Yikes.
You can buy "H2O Builder" for $50 which = is a web-based text editor that probably has some specific H20 features. = Not sure.
Control panel also has a = dbConsole applet that featurea Select, Edit, Search, Purge, Index, = Create, Change, Import, Export, Copy, Delete, and Info commands for, = supposedly, directly managing databases. The overlay syntax can also = interact with data. Data is in 4GL format and is saved into a = directory inside the GCI directory. I think the database is disk = centric, rather than RAM.
There is also a = separate, commercial package called BundleBee, which I think, can bundle = your web apps into stand-alone CGIs. You can also purchase other = CGIs that seem to be the results of this; Time Slips, Vacation Requests, = and other business-related things. Some are pretty = expensive.
The free version is H2O which seems = to have all the function without any support, and limits the size of = databases to 500 records.
In some ways it seems = similar to WebDNA, and they seem to generate a lot of revenue by = undermining their developers and selling applications as stand-alone = products.
I wonder how it handles = load.
Pat
On Sep = 22, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote:
I = have never used HTML/OS that's why I was asking if anyone
else has, = so I could get some first-hand feedback. Some of
the = descriptions on the Aestiva website sound a lot like
WebDNA and it = has some interesting features that are rather
appealing -- if they = actually work:
For one, you apparently do not have to pass = variable
name=3Dvalue pairs from page to page because once they are =
created they remain available on all pages. In other =
words, the server 'maintains the state of the visitor'
somehow. = Don't ask me how, but that's what is claimed. I
would = like to know how they do this but I haven't found
anything yet in = the online info that explains it and I
haven't experimented with it = to figure it out myself yet.
Another feature I found to be rather = attractive is that once
it is installed, it is managed by a control = panel which
provides all the tools needed to create and administer = the
databases, plus the tools for installing seamless upgrades. =
It looks kind of like a cPanel for HTML/OS, and I think =
something similar for WebDNA would make it easier for
beginners = to use sometimes.
But the thing that most interested me is that = it is
apparently possible to develop self-contained HTML/OS apps =
that you can sell to your customers, and they will install
on = practically any server, even if all the customer has is
a cheap $% = per month hosting account on a shared server!
I'm pretty sure = this is because it is just
an 'old-fashioned cgi' that runs in = practically any cgi-bin
folder on any server. This probably = means it will not be
the fastest solution for a heavily visited = website, but
then again ...
If I develop something like a = simple home budget tool in
HTML/OS I should never have a problem = with its installation
on whatever server the customer happens to be = using.
Imagine developing and selling 100,000 copies of = a $5 or
program that "just works" on all servers!
I'm not = sure if it makes sense for WebDNA to move in the
direction of = offering similar capabilities to the ones I've
mentioned here. = Even if this is the way Chris and Donoval
choose to go, my = guess is that such new features will have
to wait until some of the = existing bugs and other
long-standing issues are corrected first. =
But it is rather interesting to consider some new =
possibilities for WebDNA's long-term = future!
:)
Sincerely,
Ken = Grome
---------------------------------------------------------
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