Re: [WebDNA] A universal version of WebDNA ...
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texte = --Apple-Mail-944-444315776 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken's ideas are always up front and hard hitting. I think he is right on the CGI issue. market share is the key elements, and speed is the dark cave of the "geek world" (with all due respect to all of us geeks everywhere) that does not have the resounding impact away from a small community of users. We recently changed one of our long running sites to PHP because of a requirement to move it to an independent server platform, at the request of the customer. We have run this project on WebDNA for 10 years. Yes - it runs faster under PHP. Yes, it can run most anywhere. And yes, the development time was 2-3 times slower. That equates to cost efficiency. In an enterprise environment, cost analysis has been woefully lacking for years. With the economy turning sour, this is an opportunity to attack that element, and find a larger market share for WebDNA as a rapid development tool. And yes, most websites are not traffic hogs. If you are faced with the kind of traffic we had with our election systems, for example, you will have a different business model which will support different costs. Approach this as a business issue, not a technology one. That is something SmithMicro never could do. larry --Apple-Mail-944-444315776 Content-Disposition: inline; filename=req_mail.gif Content-Type: image/gif; x-unix-mode=0644; name="req_mail.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 R0lGODlhYABgAPcAAAwGDHSCfERCRLzCvKQCHNTi3KSipPRGZCQmJJQuPEwSHGRiZMzS1Ozy9Pyi rPyClBQWFNQCLPRmfOzm7LSytJSSlPzS1FRSVHRydDQWHPzCzHw6ROwSNDQ2NOwiRPx2jBweHOwC JPyyvOTu7PQyTDQSFJQeLPRWbNTa1PT69PySpMzGzLQGJGwSJPRuhLS6tAwODIyGjPzi5KyqrCQW FJyanFxaXHx6dOwKNExKTCwuLGxqbPTa3EQ+RBwOFOTq5Pz2/PyqtPSKnPRqhPzm7PzKzDw+POwq TOwGNPy6xPTu7PQ6VPRedOTe5MzOzMS+xIwOJNzi5KSmrPROZFwSHNzW1Pzy9BwWHHRWXOwCLNTa 3PT6/PyapKwKJHwOJLS6vBQOFIyOjKSepIR+hISChExGTMTCxCwmLGxmbMzW1NwCLPRqfLy2vJyW nFxWXHx2fEQiJDw2PPx+jCQeJMQCJPRyhLSutCgWHKSenGReZHx6fFROVDQuNHRudPza5Pzu9Pdi fJw6TOwaPOzq5KQKJEQSHPRSbPyitPyGnPzS3PzG1OwWPPy2xPQyVPRadPyuvPzq9PzK1Py+zPQ6 XOTe3PyarMS+vNTO1JSOlEQWHPwCLPx+lEpGRKampEwWHGhmZPT29BQaFMwGLOvq7LW2tJmWlFhW VHh2dPAmRMvKzAwSDK+urJyenF9eXO0ONFFOTG5ubPyOnPQuTOTm5Nze3Pz+/IQSJLy+vIiGhMTG 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Box 1017 l.hewitt@thereq.com Centralia, WA 98531 TheREQ.com On Oct 8, 2008, at 9:02 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>> zarcrom installed WebDNA 32 bits on >>> several 64 bits systems, including >>> Solaris10 and Fedora. Both the site >>> www.webdna.us and the dev.webdna.us >>> are running on 64bits OS. >> >> Promising news, but still not RedHat. :-( > > > It's not a solution for any other server platforms either, > Chris. > > :( > > I think the highest priority issue facing WSC at this early > stage of the game is to quickly create a version that works > on all server platforms. If this means creating a new CGI > version then so be it. FastCGI would be even better but > regular old CGI would be a great start ... > > And no, speed is NOT an issue for new users who haven't even > learned the WebDNA syntax yet -- so the illusion of a CGI > version being 'too slow' should be exploded right now. > Even a plain old CGI version can serve pages fast enough > for many websites since many of them don't have that much > traffic to begin with ... and a CGI version is ideal for > development ans testing too. > > My personal opinion is that if you ignore everything else > for a while in order to focus on the rapid development of a > new CGI version that will run "out of the box" on all > servers worldwide -- and get it released ASAP -- the folks > who install it will use it, and love it, and quickly become > your new evangelists ... > > That's FREE ADVERTISING folks, and it's the *best* kind of > free advertising -- word of mouth! > > Then once this "universal" version is released you can shift > gears and start fixing the long standing bugs that have > been plaguing the software for 5+ years already. It's not > like anyone who's been a WebDNA user for all these years is > going to abandon the software during the next few months > anyways, right? > > Yes I know this view might not be 'palatable' for those of > you who expect the new WSC to fix all the old bugs > immediately. But here's the thing: > > The company will become far more stable and prosperous > sooner if it focuses on the goal of rapid development and > release of a version it can sell to everyone. This quickly > brings in new money and new customers who will 'spread the > word' about how great it is -- instead of complaining that > it won't even install on their servers -- and this is good > for all of us, even if it requires a few more months of > sacrifice in the beginning. > > Just my opinion of course, and I always have one ... > > :) > > Sincerely, > Ken Grome > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list
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--Apple-Mail-944-444315776 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken's ideas are always up front and hard hitting. I think he is right on the CGI issue. market share is the key elements, and speed is the dark cave of the "geek world" (with all due respect to all of us geeks everywhere) that does not have the resounding impact away from a small community of users. We recently changed one of our long running sites to PHP because of a requirement to move it to an independent server platform, at the request of the customer. We have run this project on WebDNA for 10 years. Yes - it runs faster under PHP. Yes, it can run most anywhere. And yes, the development time was 2-3 times slower. That equates to cost efficiency. In an enterprise environment, cost analysis has been woefully lacking for years. With the economy turning sour, this is an opportunity to attack that element, and find a larger market share for WebDNA as a rapid development tool. And yes, most websites are not traffic hogs. If you are faced with the kind of traffic we had with our election systems, for example, you will have a different business model which will support different costs. Approach this as a business issue, not a technology one. 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Box 1017 l.hewitt@thereq.com Centralia, WA 98531 TheREQ.com On Oct 8, 2008, at 9:02 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>> zarcrom installed WebDNA 32 bits on >>> several 64 bits systems, including >>> Solaris10 and Fedora. Both the site >>> www.webdna.us and the dev.webdna.us >>> are running on 64bits OS. >> >> Promising news, but still not RedHat. :-( > > > It's not a solution for any other server platforms either, > Chris. > > :( > > I think the highest priority issue facing WSC at this early > stage of the game is to quickly create a version that works > on all server platforms. If this means creating a new CGI > version then so be it. FastCGI would be even better but > regular old CGI would be a great start ... > > And no, speed is NOT an issue for new users who haven't even > learned the WebDNA syntax yet -- so the illusion of a CGI > version being 'too slow' should be exploded right now. > Even a plain old CGI version can serve pages fast enough > for many websites since many of them don't have that much > traffic to begin with ... and a CGI version is ideal for > development ans testing too. > > My personal opinion is that if you ignore everything else > for a while in order to focus on the rapid development of a > new CGI version that will run "out of the box" on all > servers worldwide -- and get it released ASAP -- the folks > who install it will use it, and love it, and quickly become > your new evangelists ... > > That's FREE ADVERTISING folks, and it's the *best* kind of > free advertising -- word of mouth! > > Then once this "universal" version is released you can shift > gears and start fixing the long standing bugs that have > been plaguing the software for 5+ years already. It's not > like anyone who's been a WebDNA user for all these years is > going to abandon the software during the next few months > anyways, right? > > Yes I know this view might not be 'palatable' for those of > you who expect the new WSC to fix all the old bugs > immediately. But here's the thing: > > The company will become far more stable and prosperous > sooner if it focuses on the goal of rapid development and > release of a version it can sell to everyone. This quickly > brings in new money and new customers who will 'spread the > word' about how great it is -- instead of complaining that > it won't even install on their servers -- and this is good > for all of us, even if it requires a few more months of > sacrifice in the beginning. > > Just my opinion of course, and I always have one ... > > :) > > Sincerely, > Ken Grome > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ --Apple-Mail-944-444315776--
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