Re: [WebDNA] 3-5 GB of native WebDNA db in RAM?, else MySQL w/WebDNA [SQL] tags, else skip WebDNA altogether?

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texte = --Apple-Mail-5--142451700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've worked with databases just over 1gig and can tell you that I've been impressed with WebDNA's abilities. It just seems to behave predictably. It does require common sense and strategy to make sure that you aren't wasting any space unnecessarily. I think where WebDNA shines is when someone comes up with a great idea for handling something more efficiently, the changes required in WebDNA will be a fraction of what the same modifications would require in PHP or other languages. I'm working on a project now where the client wants the data to end up in SQL. I'm doing it straight WebDNA but adding spawned functions to sync the SQL data. It's nice for a lot of reasons; first, the data is saved in two places and two different formats and second, I can switch off the SQL functions when the client wants to take a copy of the working site to trade shows. On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Govinda wrote: > Hi all > > I am writing to ask those of you who have worked with really big > db's what is your experience. (I.e. million+ records.) > We are within the next weeks/months going to be setting up a site > seeded with a couple huge existing db's. One is 2 GB. The other > is closer to 1 GB. There will be some smaller db's we'll add in, > but I am first wanting to get your vote of confidence about using > WebDNA in the first place for this site. If it needs to be a > dedicated server so that we can have all the HD and RAM for ourself, > then we will. Is it reasonable to expect we can get the site > running, *happily* with native WebDNA db's that size? > OR is it reasonable to expect we can get the site running, *happily* > with MySQL db's that size and we use WebDNA to talk to them? How > are people finding the [SQL] tags in large heavy production > environments (if I said that right)? > > Or, do you feel we really should go PHP/MySQL to save pain later? > (I sure hope not, but eating the bitter pill now is far less painful > than after months of work that has to be all redone.) > > Thanks for any feedback! > > ------------ > Govinda > govinda.webdnatalk@gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ --Apple-Mail-5--142451700 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGGTCCAtIw ggI7oAMCAQICEBmvvAg5L6PclE8ruwo/gMYwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA4MDkyNzAxMTg1M1oXDTA5MDkyNzAxMTg1 M1owPjEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEbMBkGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYMcG1A d2ViZG5hLnVzMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAtb7ZYYJV7sbgqxdgpBU/ qCRsIJYGNIo40L9odKmo6Y/mPBybeSry8KefqmuWoBXxc6xCvSSJDWFcb2sZ+TkedZrdxvtoL1pH NjDZNe2ow+RCNUvJcQd1+ASzh0J4QLHnNyoMY3zuCQwqM6hK5gU4AlpOSITekksSFuGXBdJTjSeI gIpZFTTrd1c/Zv7miT9gO5UmHiyDClKP8oX31YFlb3q9EM2p8WQzb2Ce2M9kokCs8ZnhT+fRNc/Q 9lc4RJtEuf3zynvg0cCbf71pgoC0Zepsop466jrvc08MsxxzRJDmjw20ci/3ltk+iAcD3TchYppw yX4HZhjrrZXcOMBMkQIDAQABoykwJzAXBgNVHREEEDAOgQxwbUB3ZWJkbmEudXMwDAYDVR0TAQH/ BAIwADANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQCBMxqOGsLwOxtLQ8YLvOQOym8UQyB0CiF0Dpd0oOA+hjD5 n9A1eileTd8OdkdPIb+der2Kw42N/UKARNSSkmn1hhKrgwTNYLyXFNlB+TJ2YvG13B27d4EaUdSn 2KWKDKG4w14lQSO9y+RTjMSuYi4kbeI50QHLZsTZDO3OhNcKjzCCAz8wggKooAMCAQICAQ0wDQYJ KoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgdExCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUwEwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxEjAQBgNV BAcTCUNhcGUgVG93bjEaMBgGA1UEChMRVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcxKDAmBgNVBAsTH0NlcnRp ZmljYXRpb24gU2VydmljZXMgRGl2aXNpb24xJDAiBgNVBAMTG1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVl bWFpbCBDQTErMCkGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYccGVyc29uYWwtZnJlZW1haWxAdGhhd3RlLmNvbTAeFw0w MzA3MTcwMDAwMDBaFw0xMzA3MTYyMzU5NTlaMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3 dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1h aWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQTCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAxKY8VXNV+065yplaHmjA dQRwnd/p/6Me7L3N9VvyGna9fww6YfK/Uc4B1OVQCjDXAmNaLIkVcI7dyfArhVqqP3FWy688Cwfn 8R+RNiQqE88r1fOCdz0Dviv+uxg+B79AgAJk16emu59l0cUqVIUPSAR/p7bRPGEEQB5kGXJgt/sC AwEAAaOBlDCBkTASBgNVHRMBAf8ECDAGAQH/AgEAMEMGA1UdHwQ8MDowOKA2oDSGMmh0dHA6Ly9j cmwudGhhd3RlLmNvbS9UaGF3dGVQZXJzb25hbEZyZWVtYWlsQ0EuY3JsMAsGA1UdDwQEAwIBBjAp BgNVHREEIjAgpB4wHDEaMBgGA1UEAxMRUHJpdmF0ZUxhYmVsMi0xMzgwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAD gYEASIzRUIPqCy7MDaNmrGcPf6+svsIXoUOWlJ1/TCG4+DYfqi2fNi/A9BxQIJNwPP2t4WFiw9k6 GX6EsZkbAMUaC4J0niVQlGLH2ydxVyWN3amcOY6MIE9lX5Xa9/eH1sYITq726jTlEBpbNU1341Yh eILcIRk13iSx0x1G/11fZU8xggMQMIIDDAIBATB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxU aGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJl ZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQGa+8CDkvo9yUTyu7Cj+AxjAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBbzAYBgkqhkiG 9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wOTA3MjgwMjIxMjhaMCMGCSqGSIb3 DQEJBDEWBBQ5FFUp5GMa1H7CacxK5B7f4zLNBzCBhQYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMXgwdjBiMQswCQYDVQQG EwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhh d3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECEBmvvAg5L6PclE8ruwo/gMYwgYcGCyqG SIb3DQEJEAILMXigdjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcg KFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EC EBmvvAg5L6PclE8ruwo/gMYwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggEAPag0nwOp7ewURfGi7iq9LYMYLkf1 2gLPlrd14f7bGMLszxShFp2nQCCNMtuv6dGjSjHsHM8q68q/TnxbtO4kz/Y0X6H73qgCsws70pNY 0zuxLULi7G7gmIVl++bOPmevk8dcxy1xyK6Z8RLi80FaBxTmmaR5wM2t9qS0fAWN+nBMlfxjBJnn wNj+JuIKK5rBgqjWI3z9PIUAvBYQnS5ip1SdbvQaNRR7hBE+4HwGtRN0jpKlgeFtDpyD6yRJ9eJW h84RRXnEv3R8TZ7rwU9VkTNl0LEE3mawc7OV6hQgLe+NJYkh+pLhrHqHC0izMCrndfPYXZnVsYrR ANI5bkxkZQAAAAAAAA== --Apple-Mail-5--142451700-- Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
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  3. Re: [WebDNA] 3-5 GB of native WebDNA db in RAM?, else MySQL w/WebDNA [SQL] tags, else skip WebDNA altogether? (Palle Bo Nielsen 2009)
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--Apple-Mail-5--142451700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've worked with databases just over 1gig and can tell you that I've been impressed with WebDNA's abilities. It just seems to behave predictably. It does require common sense and strategy to make sure that you aren't wasting any space unnecessarily. I think where WebDNA shines is when someone comes up with a great idea for handling something more efficiently, the changes required in WebDNA will be a fraction of what the same modifications would require in PHP or other languages. I'm working on a project now where the client wants the data to end up in SQL. I'm doing it straight WebDNA but adding spawned functions to sync the SQL data. It's nice for a lot of reasons; first, the data is saved in two places and two different formats and second, I can switch off the SQL functions when the client wants to take a copy of the working site to trade shows. On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Govinda wrote: > Hi all > > I am writing to ask those of you who have worked with really big > db's what is your experience. (I.e. million+ records.) > We are within the next weeks/months going to be setting up a site > seeded with a couple huge existing db's. One is 2 GB. The other > is closer to 1 GB. There will be some smaller db's we'll add in, > but I am first wanting to get your vote of confidence about using > WebDNA in the first place for this site. If it needs to be a > dedicated server so that we can have all the HD and RAM for ourself, > then we will. Is it reasonable to expect we can get the site > running, *happily* with native WebDNA db's that size? > OR is it reasonable to expect we can get the site running, *happily* > with MySQL db's that size and we use WebDNA to talk to them? How > are people finding the [SQL] tags in large heavy production > environments (if I said that right)? > > Or, do you feel we really should go PHP/MySQL to save pain later? > (I sure hope not, but eating the bitter pill now is far less painful > than after months of work that has to be all redone.) > > Thanks for any feedback! > > ------------ > Govinda > govinda.webdnatalk@gmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ --Apple-Mail-5--142451700 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGGTCCAtIw ggI7oAMCAQICEBmvvAg5L6PclE8ruwo/gMYwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA4MDkyNzAxMTg1M1oXDTA5MDkyNzAxMTg1 M1owPjEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEbMBkGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYMcG1A d2ViZG5hLnVzMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAtb7ZYYJV7sbgqxdgpBU/ qCRsIJYGNIo40L9odKmo6Y/mPBybeSry8KefqmuWoBXxc6xCvSSJDWFcb2sZ+TkedZrdxvtoL1pH NjDZNe2ow+RCNUvJcQd1+ASzh0J4QLHnNyoMY3zuCQwqM6hK5gU4AlpOSITekksSFuGXBdJTjSeI gIpZFTTrd1c/Zv7miT9gO5UmHiyDClKP8oX31YFlb3q9EM2p8WQzb2Ce2M9kokCs8ZnhT+fRNc/Q 9lc4RJtEuf3zynvg0cCbf71pgoC0Zepsop466jrvc08MsxxzRJDmjw20ci/3ltk+iAcD3TchYppw yX4HZhjrrZXcOMBMkQIDAQABoykwJzAXBgNVHREEEDAOgQxwbUB3ZWJkbmEudXMwDAYDVR0TAQH/ BAIwADANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQCBMxqOGsLwOxtLQ8YLvOQOym8UQyB0CiF0Dpd0oOA+hjD5 n9A1eileTd8OdkdPIb+der2Kw42N/UKARNSSkmn1hhKrgwTNYLyXFNlB+TJ2YvG13B27d4EaUdSn 2KWKDKG4w14lQSO9y+RTjMSuYi4kbeI50QHLZsTZDO3OhNcKjzCCAz8wggKooAMCAQICAQ0wDQYJ KoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgdExCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUwEwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxEjAQBgNV BAcTCUNhcGUgVG93bjEaMBgGA1UEChMRVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcxKDAmBgNVBAsTH0NlcnRp ZmljYXRpb24gU2VydmljZXMgRGl2aXNpb24xJDAiBgNVBAMTG1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVl bWFpbCBDQTErMCkGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYccGVyc29uYWwtZnJlZW1haWxAdGhhd3RlLmNvbTAeFw0w MzA3MTcwMDAwMDBaFw0xMzA3MTYyMzU5NTlaMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3 dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1h aWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQTCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAxKY8VXNV+065yplaHmjA dQRwnd/p/6Me7L3N9VvyGna9fww6YfK/Uc4B1OVQCjDXAmNaLIkVcI7dyfArhVqqP3FWy688Cwfn 8R+RNiQqE88r1fOCdz0Dviv+uxg+B79AgAJk16emu59l0cUqVIUPSAR/p7bRPGEEQB5kGXJgt/sC AwEAAaOBlDCBkTASBgNVHRMBAf8ECDAGAQH/AgEAMEMGA1UdHwQ8MDowOKA2oDSGMmh0dHA6Ly9j cmwudGhhd3RlLmNvbS9UaGF3dGVQZXJzb25hbEZyZWVtYWlsQ0EuY3JsMAsGA1UdDwQEAwIBBjAp BgNVHREEIjAgpB4wHDEaMBgGA1UEAxMRUHJpdmF0ZUxhYmVsMi0xMzgwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAD gYEASIzRUIPqCy7MDaNmrGcPf6+svsIXoUOWlJ1/TCG4+DYfqi2fNi/A9BxQIJNwPP2t4WFiw9k6 GX6EsZkbAMUaC4J0niVQlGLH2ydxVyWN3amcOY6MIE9lX5Xa9/eH1sYITq726jTlEBpbNU1341Yh eILcIRk13iSx0x1G/11fZU8xggMQMIIDDAIBATB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxU aGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJl ZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQGa+8CDkvo9yUTyu7Cj+AxjAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBbzAYBgkqhkiG 9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wOTA3MjgwMjIxMjhaMCMGCSqGSIb3 DQEJBDEWBBQ5FFUp5GMa1H7CacxK5B7f4zLNBzCBhQYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMXgwdjBiMQswCQYDVQQG EwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhh d3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECEBmvvAg5L6PclE8ruwo/gMYwgYcGCyqG SIb3DQEJEAILMXigdjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcg KFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EC EBmvvAg5L6PclE8ruwo/gMYwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggEAPag0nwOp7ewURfGi7iq9LYMYLkf1 2gLPlrd14f7bGMLszxShFp2nQCCNMtuv6dGjSjHsHM8q68q/TnxbtO4kz/Y0X6H73qgCsws70pNY 0zuxLULi7G7gmIVl++bOPmevk8dcxy1xyK6Z8RLi80FaBxTmmaR5wM2t9qS0fAWN+nBMlfxjBJnn wNj+JuIKK5rBgqjWI3z9PIUAvBYQnS5ip1SdbvQaNRR7hBE+4HwGtRN0jpKlgeFtDpyD6yRJ9eJW h84RRXnEv3R8TZ7rwU9VkTNl0LEE3mawc7OV6hQgLe+NJYkh+pLhrHqHC0izMCrndfPYXZnVsYrR ANI5bkxkZQAAAAAAAA== --Apple-Mail-5--142451700-- Patrick McCormick

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