Re: [BULK] Re: [WebDNA] [BULK] Mac OS X LION has no FastCGI

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2011

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texte = Hi Chris and Talk List,I am pleased to understand that we agree. WebDNA 7 on Lion will not work =until there is a FastCGI/FCGI solution on the built in Apache platform; =until then WebDNA 7 will not work out of the box. Hence we will have to =wait until a solution is brought to the table by someone if Lion OS is =to be used. This is what I conclude from the dialogue from this thread =with participation from WSC.I am not using Lion in an production environment although I am =experimenting with Lion to learn before taking the next step and my =observations led me to the observation which started this thread; I hope =it interested someone at least.Although Lion seems very stable I have not migrated to this platform on =the server level; I do use it on a desktop level without any problems. A =quick update from Apple after releasing a new OS is normal and it will =be quite huge due to iCloud.I will wait and se what happens in the community for the next couple of =weeks; just to see if Lion will be up and running with WebDNA 7.All the bestPalleOn 25/07/2011, at 12.41, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote:> Hello everybody, and to make things absolutely clear:>=20> - WebDNA 7.0 WILL run under Lion. The fasctCGI module is just a plug =that allows apache to "speak" to any FastCGI executable. Since Ruby, =Lasso to name a few need this module too, it will quickly be available =to the very new Lion community. It is not a Lion's matter: WebDNA relies =on Apache, and Apache offers several FastCGI solutions. The first Lion =release does not include one, the procedure to add one will be available =on the internet within days, if not in the next fixed release. We could =possibly provide one too, but this would make a "proprietary" apache =version, and we prefer to keep things open (the same module must be =available to all FastCGI executables).> - The message i posted is a quick fix with the purpose to use Snow =Leopard module under Lion. There will be better solutions within days or =weeks.> - It is NOT a good idea to run a production server from a very new OS =as Lion. I do not even use it as a desktop OS until first bugs are =fixed. Hopefully, this will be quick. There is already a 10.7.2 coming =out these days, a week only after release.> - WebDNA is NOT in beta period: it is perfectly stable under Snow =Leopard and linux. I just said it has not been released yet.>=20> - chris>=20> On Jul 25, 2011, at 5:11, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>=20>> ... and let me make one thing clear.>>=20>> I am not requesting that WebDNA will work under Lion. I have observed =and concluded that it does not. I thought this information would be =helpful for WSC and at the same time I requested information on their =position towards the challenge. I do not appreciate the negative impact =feedback which was not intended. Although as a customer I would =appreciate a clear position/roadmap such as if Lion is going to be fully =supported or not. Any other feedback such as claiming that the platform =I have selected for my business gives a bad reputation to this community =- and thank you for the support (Donovan).>>=20>> Palle>>=20>>=20>>=20>> On 25/07/2011, at 10.00, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>>=20>>> Hi Kenneth,>>>=20>>> You are misunderstanding the facts.>>>=20>>> FastCGI is not a part of Lion per default; not even selectable - and =I am afraid that Chris is wrong as well. It' not there. You need to =install it yourself.>>>=20>>> Palle>>>=20>>>=20>>> On 24/07/2011, at 23.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>=20>>>> There, see Palle? Chris said that WebDNA 7 works under=20>>>> Apache when using the fastcgi module, so I guess you were=20>>>> misinformed or worried about nothing.>>>>=20>>>> Sincerely,>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>> Lion as well as Snow Leopard and all other OSX versions>>>>> are using apache as web server. There is a module>>>>> fastcgi_module (mod_fastcgi.so) for all apache versions>>>>> and if it is not loaded by default on Lion, it is>>>>> certainly no difficult to load or install. So, nothing>>>>> to worry about: WebDNA.fcgi will run just as fine with>>>>> Lion as on almost all other web servers.>>>>>=20>>>>> - chris>>>>>=20>>>>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 16:30, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>>>>>> Hi Kenneth,>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Thank you for the sarcasm/irony. Besides being>>>>>> entertained by your reply I do not find it useful>>>>>> whatsoever.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> I have chosen to use Mac as a platform for web>>>>>> development as has many others. WSC has chosen to>>>>>> support the Mac platform as well as other platforms,>>>>>> which I appreciate.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> So now I just wanted to inform the community that there>>>>>> is no FCGI in Lion and at the same time ask for the>>>>>> WSC's official opinion on the challenge at hand.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> I rest my case and wish you a good day Kenneth, no>>>>>> matter what platform you choose. I am here to be a>>>>>> part of the community - not trying to have a war on>>>>>> platforms.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Palle>>>>>>=20>>>>>> On 24/07/2011, at 21.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>>>> It seems like Apple has chosen not to include FastCGI>>>>>>>> as an option in Mac OS X Lion or Mac OS X Lion>>>>>>>> Server.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Big deal. Hardly anyone uses Mac servers any more>>>>>>> these days anyways, do they?>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Even if they do, why bother upgrading just because a>>>>>>> new version is released? If the version you're>>>>>>> currently using works fine, just keep using it!>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Or better yet, why not switch to Linux?>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> The vast majority of the world's web servers run Linux>>>>>>> these days anyways. Maybe you should try it. Then>>>>>>> you won't have to worry about Apple's strange>>>>>>> decisions any more.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> I'm actually surprised that Apple is still producing>>>>>>> and marketing servers. I heard that they pulled the>>>>>>> plug on that division and were no longer producing or>>>>>>> selling server hardware or software ... but maybe>>>>>>> they just cut the server division's funding so much>>>>>>> that the dev team didn't have the resources to>>>>>>> include FastCGI.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Apple has strangely abandoned other technologies while>>>>>>> they were still in heavy use too, so I'm not>>>>>>> surprised about this. But I fail to see why you're>>>>>>> so determined to stick with Mac servers ...>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Is there something you cannot do on a Linux server>>>>>>> that you can do on a Mac server? Or is it just that>>>>>>> Linux is a new and different platform that you do not>>>>>>> really want to learn? Because believe me, it's not>>>>>>> that hard ...>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> When Apple refused to stand behind the last desktop>>>>>>> computer I bought from them several years ago, I>>>>>>> abandoned Apple in favor of Linux -- not only as a>>>>>>> desktop computer but also as a server. It was the>>>>>>> best decision I ever made in my life as a web>>>>>>> developer and server admin.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Since then I have never felt that I had a good reason>>>>>>> to go back to MacOS. And I was one of the biggest>>>>>>> die-hard Mac fans you could possibly have known back>>>>>>> then, so it was NOT a simple decision for me to>>>>>>> switch!>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Yet after I made the switch I realized how much I was>>>>>>> missing in the Mac-only environment -- and how much>>>>>>> more it was costing me financially. =46rom that point>>>>>>> on I have always felt very, very good about my>>>>>>> decision to switch.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>> Knowing that the Lion has just been set free, I would>>>>>>>> like to ask WSC on their position; what can we expect>>>>>>>> from your side...>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> I'm not WSC but my guess is that your choices are>>>>>>> simple:>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> 1- Write your own FastCGI module for your Lion server>>>>>>> so you can use WebDNA 7.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> 2- Keep using WebDNA 6.2 on your Lion server so you do>>>>>>> not need FastCGI.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> 3- Get a Linux server and run WebDNA 7 and future>>>>>>> versions of WebDNA on it.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> 4- Abandon WebDNA in favor of some other server side>>>>>>> scripting language that will run on your Lion server.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> 5- Retire so you don't have to reply on companies like>>>>>>> Apple or WSC to do what you want them to do any more.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> 6- Another option I have not considered ... ???>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Good luck whatever you do.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> :)>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------>>>>>>> --- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>=20>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>=20>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>=20> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

Hi Chris and Talk List,I am pleased to understand that we agree. WebDNA 7 on Lion will not work =until there is a FastCGI/FCGI solution on the built in Apache platform; =until then WebDNA 7 will not work out of the box. Hence we will have to =wait until a solution is brought to the table by someone if Lion OS is =to be used. This is what I conclude from the dialogue from this thread =with participation from WSC.I am not using Lion in an production environment although I am =experimenting with Lion to learn before taking the next step and my =observations led me to the observation which started this thread; I hope =it interested someone at least.Although Lion seems very stable I have not migrated to this platform on =the server level; I do use it on a desktop level without any problems. A =quick update from Apple after releasing a new OS is normal and it will =be quite huge due to iCloud.I will wait and se what happens in the community for the next couple of =weeks; just to see if Lion will be up and running with WebDNA 7.All the bestPalleOn 25/07/2011, at 12.41, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote:> Hello everybody, and to make things absolutely clear:>=20> - WebDNA 7.0 WILL run under Lion. The fasctCGI module is just a plug =that allows apache to "speak" to any FastCGI executable. Since Ruby, =Lasso to name a few need this module too, it will quickly be available =to the very new Lion community. It is not a Lion's matter: WebDNA relies =on Apache, and Apache offers several FastCGI solutions. The first Lion =release does not include one, the procedure to add one will be available =on the internet within days, if not in the next fixed release. We could =possibly provide one too, but this would make a "proprietary" apache =version, and we prefer to keep things open (the same module must be =available to all FastCGI executables).> - The message i posted is a quick fix with the purpose to use Snow =Leopard module under Lion. There will be better solutions within days or =weeks.> - It is NOT a good idea to run a production server from a very new OS =as Lion. I do not even use it as a desktop OS until first bugs are =fixed. Hopefully, this will be quick. There is already a 10.7.2 coming =out these days, a week only after release.> - WebDNA is NOT in beta period: it is perfectly stable under Snow =Leopard and linux. I just said it has not been released yet.>=20> - chris>=20> On Jul 25, 2011, at 5:11, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>=20>> ... and let me make one thing clear.>>=20>> I am not requesting that WebDNA will work under Lion. I have observed =and concluded that it does not. I thought this information would be =helpful for WSC and at the same time I requested information on their =position towards the challenge. I do not appreciate the negative impact =feedback which was not intended. Although as a customer I would =appreciate a clear position/roadmap such as if Lion is going to be fully =supported or not. Any other feedback such as claiming that the platform =I have selected for my business gives a bad reputation to this community =- and thank you for the support (Donovan).>>=20>> Palle>>=20>>=20>>=20>> On 25/07/2011, at 10.00, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>>=20>>> Hi Kenneth,>>>=20>>> You are misunderstanding the facts.>>>=20>>> FastCGI is not a part of Lion per default; not even selectable - and =I am afraid that Chris is wrong as well. It' not there. You need to =install it yourself.>>>=20>>> Palle>>>=20>>>=20>>> On 24/07/2011, at 23.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>=20>>>> There, see Palle? Chris said that WebDNA 7 works under=20>>>> Apache when using the fastcgi module, so I guess you were=20>>>> misinformed or worried about nothing.>>>>=20>>>> Sincerely,>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>> Lion as well as Snow Leopard and all other OSX versions>>>>> are using apache as web server. There is a module>>>>> fastcgi_module (mod_fastcgi.so) for all apache versions>>>>> and if it is not loaded by default on Lion, it is>>>>> certainly no difficult to load or install. So, nothing>>>>> to worry about: WebDNA.fcgi will run just as fine with>>>>> Lion as on almost all other web servers.>>>>>=20>>>>> - chris>>>>>=20>>>>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 16:30, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>>>>>> Hi Kenneth,>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Thank you for the sarcasm/irony. Besides being>>>>>> entertained by your reply I do not find it useful>>>>>> whatsoever.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> I have chosen to use Mac as a platform for web>>>>>> development as has many others. WSC has chosen to>>>>>> support the Mac platform as well as other platforms,>>>>>> which I appreciate.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> So now I just wanted to inform the community that there>>>>>> is no FCGI in Lion and at the same time ask for the>>>>>> WSC's official opinion on the challenge at hand.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> I rest my case and wish you a good day Kenneth, no>>>>>> matter what platform you choose. I am here to be a>>>>>> part of the community - not trying to have a war on>>>>>> platforms.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Palle>>>>>>=20>>>>>> On 24/07/2011, at 21.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>>>> It seems like Apple has chosen not to include FastCGI>>>>>>>> as an option in Mac OS X Lion or Mac OS X Lion>>>>>>>> Server.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Big deal. Hardly anyone uses Mac servers any more>>>>>>> these days anyways, do they?>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Even if they do, why bother upgrading just because a>>>>>>> new version is released? If the version you're>>>>>>> currently using works fine, just keep using it!>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Or better yet, why not switch to Linux?>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> The vast majority of the world's web servers run Linux>>>>>>> these days anyways. Maybe you should try it. Then>>>>>>> you won't have to worry about Apple's strange>>>>>>> decisions any more.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> I'm actually surprised that Apple is still producing>>>>>>> and marketing servers. I heard that they pulled the>>>>>>> plug on that division and were no longer producing or>>>>>>> selling server hardware or software ... but maybe>>>>>>> they just cut the server division's funding so much>>>>>>> that the dev team didn't have the resources to>>>>>>> include FastCGI.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Apple has strangely abandoned other technologies while>>>>>>> they were still in heavy use too, so I'm not>>>>>>> surprised about this. But I fail to see why you're>>>>>>> so determined to stick with Mac servers ...>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Is there something you cannot do on a Linux server>>>>>>> that you can do on a Mac server? Or is it just that>>>>>>> Linux is a new and different platform that you do not>>>>>>> really want to learn? Because believe me, it's not>>>>>>> that hard ...>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> When Apple refused to stand behind the last desktop>>>>>>> computer I bought from them several years ago, I>>>>>>> abandoned Apple in favor of Linux -- not only as a>>>>>>> desktop computer but also as a server. It was the>>>>>>> best decision I ever made in my life as a web>>>>>>> developer and server admin.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Since then I have never felt that I had a good reason>>>>>>> to go back to MacOS. And I was one of the biggest>>>>>>> die-hard Mac fans you could possibly have known back>>>>>>> then, so it was NOT a simple decision for me to>>>>>>> switch!>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Yet after I made the switch I realized how much I was>>>>>>> missing in the Mac-only environment -- and how much>>>>>>> more it was costing me financially. =46rom that point>>>>>>> on I have always felt very, very good about my>>>>>>> decision to switch.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>> Knowing that the Lion has just been set free, I would>>>>>>>> like to ask WSC on their position; what can we expect>>>>>>>> from your side...>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> I'm not WSC but my guess is that your choices are>>>>>>> simple:>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> 1- Write your own FastCGI module for your Lion server>>>>>>> so you can use WebDNA 7.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> 2- Keep using WebDNA 6.2 on your Lion server so you do>>>>>>> not need FastCGI.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> 3- Get a Linux server and run WebDNA 7 and future>>>>>>> versions of WebDNA on it.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> 4- Abandon WebDNA in favor of some other server side>>>>>>> scripting language that will run on your Lion server.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> 5- Retire so you don't have to reply on companies like>>>>>>> Apple or WSC to do what you want them to do any more.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> 6- Another option I have not considered ... ???>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Good luck whatever you do.>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> :)>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------>>>>>>> --- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>=20>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>=20>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>=20> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us Palle Bo Nielsen

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Re: [BULK] Re: [WebDNA] [BULK] Mac OS X LION has no FastCGI

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