Re: [WebDNA] Page close data

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2014


It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 111445
interpreted = N
texte = --001a11369764d8266204fddb1206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Ken, Thanks for the input. I hope that you are doing well. I would be using Goolge Analytics, as you recommend, but there is a problem with that. I don't really have multiple web pages on this site, but I have one template page, with several other files that are [included] into the template page, depending on which menu is chosen. So Google only sees the template page, over & over, rather than the individual included files. This is why I am writing my own tracking system, because I can easily add and measure the time on any of the 'plug-in' files, except the last one, as the user leaves the domain. I have also thought about using a 'click-to-leave' alert, as I've seen a lot of these used with a javascript pop-up. I'll need to ask my client if that's something that would bother them. Would you know of anyway of getting the time from a javascript into a WebDNA variable? Thanks again for writing back, sfb Stephen F Braun sbraun1@twcny.rr.com On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Braun, Stephen wrote: > Hi Ken, > Thanks for the input. > I hope that you are doing well. > > I would be using Goolge Analytics, as you recommend, but there is a > problem with that. > I don't really have multiple web pages on this site, but I have one > template page, with several other files that are [included] into the > template page, depending on which menu is chosen. So Google only sees the > template page, over & over, rather than the individual included files. > This is why I am writing my own tracking system, because I can easily add > and measure the time on any of the 'plug-in' files, except the last one, as > the user leaves the domain. > > I have also thought about using a 'click-to-leave' alert, as I've seen a > lot of these used with a javascript pop-up. > I'll need to ask my client if that's something that would bother them. > > Would you know of anyway of getting the time from a javascript into a > WebDNA variable? > > Thanks again for writing back, > sfb > > > > > Stephen Braun / Theatre Manager > Robinson-Faust Theatre of the Performing Arts / Oswego High School > Two Buccaneer Blvd. / Oswego, NY 13126 > 315.341.2265 > sbraun@oswego.org / http://fausttheatre.org > > > On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Kenneth Grome > wrote: > >> I have built several tracking systems for clients over the years, >> but I don't recall if I ever built one that tries to track the >> amount of time a visitor stays on each page. I'm not even sure >> this makes sense any more, at least with the way I typically visit >> a site ... >> >> I find myself frequently opening a bunch of pages, each in a new >> tab, so that they are already loaded and available when I'm ready >> to look at them. If your "time on page" tracking system were used >> with me, it would appear that I spent a second or two on each page >> except the last one. >> >> There's a problem with timing the last page as well ... >> >> You cannot determine when the user leaves the 'last page' of your >> site for another site unless two things happen: >> >> 1- Rather than just closing the tab like I normally do when I >> leave a site, the visitor must click a special link that sends >> him/her to a "leave the site" webdna page. >> >> 2- Your "leave the site" webdna page must records the click time, >> then redirect to the other site. >> >> Even if these two requirements were met, leaving tabs open for >> hours while doing something else before leaving the site would >> create wildly inaccurate data. >> >> Having said all this, I should also mention that Google Analytics >> is easy to setup and your client will probably be much happier >> with this data than anything you could create in webdna. >> >> Obviously webdna has its place, but sometimes it makes sense to >> use better and free existing tools. Not always, but sometimes. >> >> :) >> >> Regards, >> Kenneth Grome >> WebDNA Solutions >> http://www.webdnasolutions.com >> Web Database Systems and Linux Server Management >> >> >> On 07/05/2014 09:53 PM, Steve Braun wrote: >> > Hi All, >> > I'm building some minor page analytics for a customer. >> > I'm just subtracting the time when moving from page to page to >> > capture the 'time-on-page' data. >> > I also want to be able to find the time (ie [time]) when the user >> > leaves the web site for a new domain, or the 'time-on-last-page' data. >> > >> > Has anyone done anything like this with WebDNA before? >> > >> > Thanks for any suggestions. >> > sfb >> > --------------------------------------------------------- This >> > message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing >> > list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: >> > http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: >> > support@webdna.us >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> > > --001a11369764d8266204fddb1206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ken,
T= hanks for the input.
I hope that you are doing well.

= I would be using Goolge Analytics, as you recommend, but there is a problem= with that.
I don't really have multiple web pages on this site, but I have= =20 one template page, with several other files that are [included] into the template page, depending on which menu is chosen.=C2=A0 So Google only see= s=20 the template page, over & over, rather than the individual included=20 files.
This is why I am writing my own tracking system, because I can=20 easily add and measure the time on any of the 'plug-in' files, exce= pt=20 the last one, as the user leaves the domain.=C2=A0

I have also thou= ght about using a 'click-to-leave' alert, as I've seen a lot of= these used with a javascript pop-up.
I'll need to ask my client if that's something that would bot= her them.

Would you know of anyway of getting the time from a = javascript into a WebDNA variable?

Thanks again for writing ba= ck,
sfb


Stephen F Brau= n
sbraun1@twcny.rr.com


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Braun, = Stephen <sbraun@oswego.org> wrote:
Hi Ken,
T= hanks for the input.
I hope that you are doing well.

= I would be using Goolge Analytics, as you recommend, but there is a problem= with that.
I don't really have multiple web pages on this site, but I have o= ne template page, with several other files that are [included] into the tem= plate page, depending on which menu is chosen.=C2=A0 So Google only sees th= e template page, over & over, rather than the individual included files= .
This is why I am writing my own tracking system, because I can easily= add and measure the time on any of the 'plug-in' files, except the= last one, as the user leaves the domain.=C2=A0

I have also thought= about using a 'click-to-leave' alert, as I've seen a lot of th= ese used with a javascript pop-up.
I'll need to ask my client if that's something that would bot= her them.

Would you know of anyway of getting the time from a = javascript into a WebDNA variable?

Thanks again for writing ba= ck,
sfb




Stephen Braun / Theatre Manager=
Robinson-Faust Theatre of the Performing Arts / Oswego High School
Two Buccaneer Blvd. / Oswego, NY 13126
315.341.2265
sbraun@oswego.org / http://fausttheatre.org


On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Kenneth = Grome <ken@webdnasolutions.com> wrote:
I have built several tracking systems for clients over the years,
but I don't recall if I ever built one that tries to track the
amount of time a visitor stays on each page. =C2=A0I'm not even sure this makes sense any more, at least with the way I typically visit
a site ...

I find myself frequently opening a bunch of pages, each in a new
tab, so that they are already loaded and available when I'm ready
to look at them. =C2=A0If your "time on page" tracking system wer= e used
with me, it would appear that I spent a second or two on each page
except the last one.

There's a problem with timing the last page as well ...

You cannot determine when the user leaves the 'last page' of your site for another site unless two things happen:

1- Rather than just closing the tab like I normally do when I
leave a site, the visitor must click a special link that sends
him/her to a "leave the site" webdna page.

2- Your "leave the site" webdna page must records the click time,=
then redirect to the other site.

Even if these two requirements were met, leaving tabs open for
hours while doing something else before leaving the site would
create wildly inaccurate data.

Having said all this, I should also mention that Google Analytics
is easy to setup and your client will probably be much happier
with this data than anything you could create in webdna.

Obviously webdna has its place, but sometimes it makes sense to
use better and free existing tools. =C2=A0Not always, but sometimes.

:)

Regards,
Kenneth Grome
WebDNA Solutions
http://www.web= dnasolutions.com
Web Database Systems and Linux Server Management


On 07/05/2014 09:53 PM, Steve Braun wrote:
> Hi All,
> I'm building some minor page analytics for a customer.
> I'm just subtracting the time when moving from page to page to
> capture the 'time-on-page' data.
> I also want to be able to find the time (ie [time]) when the user
> leaves the web site for a new domain, or the 'time-on-last-page= 9; data.
>
> Has anyone done anything like this with WebDNA before?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> sfb
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--001a11369764d8266204fddb1206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Ken, Thanks for the input. I hope that you are doing well. I would be using Goolge Analytics, as you recommend, but there is a problem with that. I don't really have multiple web pages on this site, but I have one template page, with several other files that are [included] into the template page, depending on which menu is chosen. So Google only sees the template page, over & over, rather than the individual included files. This is why I am writing my own tracking system, because I can easily add and measure the time on any of the 'plug-in' files, except the last one, as the user leaves the domain. I have also thought about using a 'click-to-leave' alert, as I've seen a lot of these used with a javascript pop-up. I'll need to ask my client if that's something that would bother them. Would you know of anyway of getting the time from a javascript into a WebDNA variable? Thanks again for writing back, sfb Stephen F Braun sbraun1@twcny.rr.com On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Braun, Stephen wrote: > Hi Ken, > Thanks for the input. > I hope that you are doing well. > > I would be using Goolge Analytics, as you recommend, but there is a > problem with that. > I don't really have multiple web pages on this site, but I have one > template page, with several other files that are [included] into the > template page, depending on which menu is chosen. So Google only sees the > template page, over & over, rather than the individual included files. > This is why I am writing my own tracking system, because I can easily add > and measure the time on any of the 'plug-in' files, except the last one, as > the user leaves the domain. > > I have also thought about using a 'click-to-leave' alert, as I've seen a > lot of these used with a javascript pop-up. > I'll need to ask my client if that's something that would bother them. > > Would you know of anyway of getting the time from a javascript into a > WebDNA variable? > > Thanks again for writing back, > sfb > > > > > Stephen Braun / Theatre Manager > Robinson-Faust Theatre of the Performing Arts / Oswego High School > Two Buccaneer Blvd. / Oswego, NY 13126 > 315.341.2265 > sbraun@oswego.org / http://fausttheatre.org > > > On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Kenneth Grome > wrote: > >> I have built several tracking systems for clients over the years, >> but I don't recall if I ever built one that tries to track the >> amount of time a visitor stays on each page. I'm not even sure >> this makes sense any more, at least with the way I typically visit >> a site ... >> >> I find myself frequently opening a bunch of pages, each in a new >> tab, so that they are already loaded and available when I'm ready >> to look at them. If your "time on page" tracking system were used >> with me, it would appear that I spent a second or two on each page >> except the last one. >> >> There's a problem with timing the last page as well ... >> >> You cannot determine when the user leaves the 'last page' of your >> site for another site unless two things happen: >> >> 1- Rather than just closing the tab like I normally do when I >> leave a site, the visitor must click a special link that sends >> him/her to a "leave the site" webdna page. >> >> 2- Your "leave the site" webdna page must records the click time, >> then redirect to the other site. >> >> Even if these two requirements were met, leaving tabs open for >> hours while doing something else before leaving the site would >> create wildly inaccurate data. >> >> Having said all this, I should also mention that Google Analytics >> is easy to setup and your client will probably be much happier >> with this data than anything you could create in webdna. >> >> Obviously webdna has its place, but sometimes it makes sense to >> use better and free existing tools. Not always, but sometimes. >> >> :) >> >> Regards, >> Kenneth Grome >> WebDNA Solutions >> http://www.webdnasolutions.com >> Web Database Systems and Linux Server Management >> >> >> On 07/05/2014 09:53 PM, Steve Braun wrote: >> > Hi All, >> > I'm building some minor page analytics for a customer. >> > I'm just subtracting the time when moving from page to page to >> > capture the 'time-on-page' data. >> > I also want to be able to find the time (ie [time]) when the user >> > leaves the web site for a new domain, or the 'time-on-last-page' data. >> > >> > Has anyone done anything like this with WebDNA before? >> > >> > Thanks for any suggestions. >> > sfb >> > --------------------------------------------------------- This >> > message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing >> > list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: >> > http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: >> > support@webdna.us >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> > > --001a11369764d8266204fddb1206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ken,
T= hanks for the input.
I hope that you are doing well.

= I would be using Goolge Analytics, as you recommend, but there is a problem= with that.
I don't really have multiple web pages on this site, but I have= =20 one template page, with several other files that are [included] into the template page, depending on which menu is chosen.=C2=A0 So Google only see= s=20 the template page, over & over, rather than the individual included=20 files.
This is why I am writing my own tracking system, because I can=20 easily add and measure the time on any of the 'plug-in' files, exce= pt=20 the last one, as the user leaves the domain.=C2=A0

I have also thou= ght about using a 'click-to-leave' alert, as I've seen a lot of= these used with a javascript pop-up.
I'll need to ask my client if that's something that would bot= her them.

Would you know of anyway of getting the time from a = javascript into a WebDNA variable?

Thanks again for writing ba= ck,
sfb


Stephen F Brau= n
sbraun1@twcny.rr.com


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Braun, = Stephen <sbraun@oswego.org> wrote:
Hi Ken,
T= hanks for the input.
I hope that you are doing well.

= I would be using Goolge Analytics, as you recommend, but there is a problem= with that.
I don't really have multiple web pages on this site, but I have o= ne template page, with several other files that are [included] into the tem= plate page, depending on which menu is chosen.=C2=A0 So Google only sees th= e template page, over & over, rather than the individual included files= .
This is why I am writing my own tracking system, because I can easily= add and measure the time on any of the 'plug-in' files, except the= last one, as the user leaves the domain.=C2=A0

I have also thought= about using a 'click-to-leave' alert, as I've seen a lot of th= ese used with a javascript pop-up.
I'll need to ask my client if that's something that would bot= her them.

Would you know of anyway of getting the time from a = javascript into a WebDNA variable?

Thanks again for writing ba= ck,
sfb




Stephen Braun / Theatre Manager=
Robinson-Faust Theatre of the Performing Arts / Oswego High School
Two Buccaneer Blvd. / Oswego, NY 13126
315.341.2265
sbraun@oswego.org / http://fausttheatre.org


On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Kenneth = Grome <ken@webdnasolutions.com> wrote:
I have built several tracking systems for clients over the years,
but I don't recall if I ever built one that tries to track the
amount of time a visitor stays on each page. =C2=A0I'm not even sure this makes sense any more, at least with the way I typically visit
a site ...

I find myself frequently opening a bunch of pages, each in a new
tab, so that they are already loaded and available when I'm ready
to look at them. =C2=A0If your "time on page" tracking system wer= e used
with me, it would appear that I spent a second or two on each page
except the last one.

There's a problem with timing the last page as well ...

You cannot determine when the user leaves the 'last page' of your site for another site unless two things happen:

1- Rather than just closing the tab like I normally do when I
leave a site, the visitor must click a special link that sends
him/her to a "leave the site" webdna page.

2- Your "leave the site" webdna page must records the click time,=
then redirect to the other site.

Even if these two requirements were met, leaving tabs open for
hours while doing something else before leaving the site would
create wildly inaccurate data.

Having said all this, I should also mention that Google Analytics
is easy to setup and your client will probably be much happier
with this data than anything you could create in webdna.

Obviously webdna has its place, but sometimes it makes sense to
use better and free existing tools. =C2=A0Not always, but sometimes.

:)

Regards,
Kenneth Grome
WebDNA Solutions
http://www.web= dnasolutions.com
Web Database Systems and Linux Server Management


On 07/05/2014 09:53 PM, Steve Braun wrote:
> Hi All,
> I'm building some minor page analytics for a customer.
> I'm just subtracting the time when moving from page to page to
> capture the 'time-on-page' data.
> I also want to be able to find the time (ie [time]) when the user
> leaves the web site for a new domain, or the 'time-on-last-page= 9; data.
>
> Has anyone done anything like this with WebDNA before?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> sfb
> --------------------------------------------------------- = This
> message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing
> list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives:
> http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting:
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