Re: any suggestions for creating a multi-lingual site?
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texte = Hmmm, A few thoughts. It is possible to read the language from the browser but for example you can have several favours of English like EN-US and EN and EN-UK so its not really useful. Also most people do not change their browser prefs and lots of people do not know what their Language prefs are. I would take first time people to a page where they can select their language. Set a cookie with this pref and also set it as a [header] in an an order file. You can then pull this out of the orderfile on any page instead of getting the cookie each time. The other way is to just pass it as a variable on each link, eg &lang=EN. Hope this helps. >Jesse, > >Thanks for the suggestion. I really need to do this all within WebCatalog. >There is the possibility that this site will move to Mac OS X or Linux in >the near future. > >I will have some other people working on the actual menu text in the other >languages so I will be creating some forms for them to edit the language >they have been assigned. One of the goals of this site is to have all of >the content in the database, making is much easier to update the look and >feel, etc. a few includes and the templates will basically only have webcat >code in them. > >Dale > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jesse Williams Proudman [SMTP:lists@ninewire.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 10:19 > > To: WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com > > Subject: Re: any suggestions for creating a multi-lingual site? > > > > You could do this using Welcome and some fancy rule work. The Welcome PI > > for Webstar does some pretty neat things. It would allow you to pass the > > language variable as a fake subdirectory or even read it from the users > > browser and pass it to WebCat. > > > > If you have questions, let me know. > > > > Jesse Williams Proudman - NineWire Production > > http://www.ninewire.com <-> Jesse@ninewire.com > > Innovative and Creative Web Design and Hosting > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: WebCatalog Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On > > > Behalf Of Therio, Dale > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 1:29 AM > > > To: WebCatalog Talk > > > Subject: any suggestions for creating a multi-lingual site? > > > > > > > > > Typhoon Pro v3.04 plugin / MacOS / WS 4.0 > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > I am developing a site where I want people to be able to choose > > > the language > > > for the menus. All of the text will be in a database (no babelfish > > > translation here!). > > > > > > My thoughts are to save the choice of lanuage in a cookie so on return > > > visits they wll get their lanaguge choice automatically (and can still > > > change it of course). > > > > > > As I would prefer not to pass the langauge choice in the URL > > > (trying to keep > > > the URLs as clean as possible) it would seem that I need to read > > > the cookie > > > on each page. Having never worked with cookies before, is there a > > > performance penalty to doing this? Or is the cookie in memory once it is > > > read the first time? > > > > > > Is it possible to read the language choice set in the browser via > > > webcat? If > > > so, I could read that value and simply display the menus in that > > langauge > > > (if it is one I support). But there is that perfomance question > > > once again. > > > > > > Any other suggestions on making the site multi-lingual? Primarily > > > the menus > > > will have a choice of languages, and eventually some of the > > > content will be > > > available in different languages as well. > > > > > > I am concerned about the performance as I had to remove individual page > > > (record) counters that I had using the example provided as I was getting > > a > > > lot of thread lock files on a daily basis and they did slow the > > > system down > > > quite a bit (I am getting around 50,000 page views per day, which is > > about > > > 75,000 database searches across 5 databases). The server is currently a > > > 333mhz iMac with 160 meg of memory. I do expect to upgrade this server > > to > > > whatever G4 is available probably in March/April. > > > > > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards > > > > > > Dale Therio > > > > > > Dresdner Kleinwort Benson Research > > > Jürgen-Ponto-Platz, 1 > > > Frankfurt, Germany > > > +49 (0) 69 263 19977 - phone > > > +49 (0) 69 263 11379 - fax > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Brought to you by CommuniGate Pro - The Buzz Word Compliant > > > Messaging Server. > > > To end your Mail problems go to
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Hmmm, A few thoughts. It is possible to read the language from the browser but for example you can have several favours of English like EN-US and EN and EN-UK so its not really useful. Also most people do not change their browser prefs and lots of people do not know what their Language prefs are. I would take first time people to a page where they can select their language. Set a cookie with this pref and also set it as a [header] in an an order file. You can then pull this out of the orderfile on any page instead of getting the cookie each time. The other way is to just pass it as a variable on each link, eg &lang=EN. Hope this helps. >Jesse, > >Thanks for the suggestion. I really need to do this all within WebCatalog. >There is the possibility that this site will move to Mac OS X or Linux in >the near future. > >I will have some other people working on the actual menu text in the other >languages so I will be creating some forms for them to edit the language >they have been assigned. One of the goals of this site is to have all of >the content in the database, making is much easier to update the look and >feel, etc. a few includes and the templates will basically only have webcat >code in them. > >Dale > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jesse Williams Proudman [SMTP:lists@ninewire.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 10:19 > > To: WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com > > Subject: Re: any suggestions for creating a multi-lingual site? > > > > You could do this using Welcome and some fancy rule work. The Welcome PI > > for Webstar does some pretty neat things. It would allow you to pass the > > language variable as a fake subdirectory or even read it from the users > > browser and pass it to WebCat. > > > > If you have questions, let me know. > > > > Jesse Williams Proudman - NineWire Production > > http://www.ninewire.com <-> Jesse@ninewire.com > > Innovative and Creative Web Design and Hosting > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: WebCatalog Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On > > > Behalf Of Therio, Dale > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 1:29 AM > > > To: WebCatalog Talk > > > Subject: any suggestions for creating a multi-lingual site? > > > > > > > > > Typhoon Pro v3.04 plugin / MacOS / WS 4.0 > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > I am developing a site where I want people to be able to choose > > > the language > > > for the menus. All of the text will be in a database (no babelfish > > > translation here!). > > > > > > My thoughts are to save the choice of lanuage in a cookie so on return > > > visits they wll get their lanaguge choice automatically (and can still > > > change it of course). > > > > > > As I would prefer not to pass the langauge choice in the URL > > > (trying to keep > > > the URLs as clean as possible) it would seem that I need to read > > > the cookie > > > on each page. Having never worked with cookies before, is there a > > > performance penalty to doing this? Or is the cookie in memory once it is > > > read the first time? > > > > > > Is it possible to read the language choice set in the browser via > > > webcat? If > > > so, I could read that value and simply display the menus in that > > langauge > > > (if it is one I support). But there is that perfomance question > > > once again. > > > > > > Any other suggestions on making the site multi-lingual? Primarily > > > the menus > > > will have a choice of languages, and eventually some of the > > > content will be > > > available in different languages as well. > > > > > > I am concerned about the performance as I had to remove individual page > > > (record) counters that I had using the example provided as I was getting > > a > > > lot of thread lock files on a daily basis and they did slow the > > > system down > > > quite a bit (I am getting around 50,000 page views per day, which is > > about > > > 75,000 database searches across 5 databases). The server is currently a > > > 333mhz iMac with 160 meg of memory. I do expect to upgrade this server > > to > > > whatever G4 is available probably in March/April. > > > > > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards > > > > > > Dale Therio > > > > > > Dresdner Kleinwort Benson Research > > > Jürgen-Ponto-Platz, 1 > > > Frankfurt, Germany > > > +49 (0) 69 263 19977 - phone > > > +49 (0) 69 263 11379 - fax > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Brought to you by CommuniGate Pro - The Buzz Word Compliant > > > Messaging Server. > > > To end your Mail problems go to . > > > > > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > > the mailing list . > > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Brought to you by CommuniGate Pro - The Buzz Word Compliant Messaging > > Server. > > To end your Mail problems go to . > > > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >Brought to you by CommuniGate Pro - The Buzz Word Compliant Messaging Server. >To end your Mail problems go to . > >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >Micheal O Shea Email:micheal@com4u.ch com 4 u http://www.com4u.ch Breitistrasse 7B CH-5506 Maegenwil Tel: +41 62 896 46 26------------------------------------------------------------- Brought to you by CommuniGate Pro - The Buzz Word Compliant Messaging Server. 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