Re: Internet Explorer and caching
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2000
It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 30183
interpreted = N
texte = Thanks to Kenneth Grome and all who helped me. I think I've got it licked now.And thanks Mike for your explanation of the Explorer caching. Things are a bit clearer now. Ken's method was a great solution and now that I understand the problem I'll be able to deal with it better in the future. =============================================== Brian Dumont Scuba Connection Telephone: 1-613-821-2470 FAX 1-613-821-2766 http://scubaconnection.com EMAIL: info@medianetcom.com> From: Mike Davis
> Reply-To: (WebCatalog Talk) > Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 19:23:57 > To: (WebCatalog Talk) > Subject: Re: Internet Explorer and caching > > on 4/6/2000 7:14 PM, Brian Dumont at divemar@divemar.com wrote: > >> Tell me about it. I'm getting so frustrated trying to get this thing to >> work. What do others do to get around this problem besides the id=[random]. >> Is part of the problem because I'm using frames? Would I be better off to >> non frame the site? >> >> How does Explorer handle caching differently than Netscape to make things so >> difficult? > > This isn't unique to Webcatalog. If you were developing ecommerce > applications on any other platform, you would either have to implement a > browser cache fix or the software would have something built in, but it > would basically be the same method(s) as have been discussed here. > > To answer your question, Explorer once had quite a disadvantage in the > browser market, or what there was of one. When Microsoft went all-out with > a push to dominate that market, they made certain decisions that 'broke the > rules' in order to improve the perception that their browser was as good as, > or better than, Netscape. One perception that was a priority was that of > speed. They wanted 'the average user' to perceive that IE was faster than > NN. The average user, of course, was soon to out number the tech-heads that > made up the majority of internet users at that time. So they decided to > 'call from cache' in more instances than their competitor. The average user > was very impressed at the way pages seemed to appear instantaneously, as > opposed to the way they had to wait for Netscape to redraw them. Don't kid > yourself if you believe that MS simply didn't know the specifications of how > a browser should behave when receiving cache and expiration directives from > the server. No, this company is driven first by marketing, then by > engineering. > > There is a similar fight that ecommerce programmers engage in with the AOL > proxy (not to mention their alternate image compression scheme that destroys > jpeg images) > > You live. You learn. Deploy Ken's system until something better comes > along, 'cause a standard ain't a standard on the internet. Not yet. > > Mike ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to
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Thanks to Kenneth Grome and all who helped me. I think I've got it licked now.And thanks Mike for your explanation of the Explorer caching. Things are a bit clearer now. Ken's method was a great solution and now that I understand the problem I'll be able to deal with it better in the future. =============================================== Brian Dumont Scuba Connection Telephone: 1-613-821-2470 FAX 1-613-821-2766 http://scubaconnection.com EMAIL: info@medianetcom.com> From: Mike Davis > Reply-To: (WebCatalog Talk) > Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 19:23:57 > To: (WebCatalog Talk) > Subject: Re: Internet Explorer and caching > > on 4/6/2000 7:14 PM, Brian Dumont at divemar@divemar.com wrote: > >> Tell me about it. I'm getting so frustrated trying to get this thing to >> work. What do others do to get around this problem besides the id=[random]. >> Is part of the problem because I'm using frames? Would I be better off to >> non frame the site? >> >> How does Explorer handle caching differently than Netscape to make things so >> difficult? > > This isn't unique to Webcatalog. If you were developing ecommerce > applications on any other platform, you would either have to implement a > browser cache fix or the software would have something built in, but it > would basically be the same method(s) as have been discussed here. > > To answer your question, Explorer once had quite a disadvantage in the > browser market, or what there was of one. When Microsoft went all-out with > a push to dominate that market, they made certain decisions that 'broke the > rules' in order to improve the perception that their browser was as good as, > or better than, Netscape. One perception that was a priority was that of > speed. They wanted 'the average user' to perceive that IE was faster than > NN. The average user, of course, was soon to out number the tech-heads that > made up the majority of internet users at that time. So they decided to > 'call from cache' in more instances than their competitor. The average user > was very impressed at the way pages seemed to appear instantaneously, as > opposed to the way they had to wait for Netscape to redraw them. Don't kid > yourself if you believe that MS simply didn't know the specifications of how > a browser should behave when receiving cache and expiration directives from > the server. No, this company is driven first by marketing, then by > engineering. > > There is a similar fight that ecommerce programmers engage in with the AOL > proxy (not to mention their alternate image compression scheme that destroys > jpeg images) > > You live. You learn. Deploy Ken's system until something better comes > along, 'cause a standard ain't a standard on the internet. Not yet. > > Mike ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to
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