Re: DON'T UPGRADE, was 4.0.x find

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2000


It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 35313
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texte = I would probably reccomend building a new server and developing only new sites with 4.x.... And keep the old sites running on the old version...->Vincent Medina - APC Net, Inc. ->Network & Custom PC Service/Sales ->Internet Design & Hosting Services ->http://www.apcn.net <> http://www.apcn.com ->email: vmedina@apcn.net-----Original Message----- From: WebCatalog Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of Paul Uttermohlen Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 4:06 PM To: WebCatalog Talk Subject: DON'T UPGRADE, was 4.0.x find > >I found a 8 bit gremlin in one of my checkout documents. I found it in 5 > >separate stores that have all been taking orders happily until this week > >when I upgraded. Then incomplete page loads. > > > >After wandering around grumpy because the code looked perfect, I got the > >clue by seeing that the page seemed to stop between two pieces of straight > >HTML. Turn on invisibles in BBEDIT and whalla. > > > >But since the only change has been WebCat 4.0.x I thought others might like > >to know. (and before anyone says it, I know gremlins will break pages. I > >know they are bad and shouldn't be supported. I just know they used to work > >and am trying to save someone else the stomach acid finding out why it just > >stopped ;-) > >People begged us to remove the code that used to remove >null-characters (gremlins in your case) automatically before >processing a template. So for 4.x we did this, under protest. Now >null-characters stay in, and WebDNA has no choice but to stop at that >point, as that is the end-of-string terminator character. > >Zap gremlins using BBEdit and you should be OK. >Technical Support ********************************** >Smith Micro, Internet Solutions Div | eCommerce (WebCatalog)GREMLINS?Hey! When I complained about this --- GREMLINS --- you guys said, well there is no way Webcatalog could insert gremlins into existing files. And that sounds right to me. You could have mentioned that existing gremlins previously overlooked are now going to cause problems.We have spent hundreds of hours zapping gremlins and fixing templates to work with 4.x. This has been the most disastrous upgrade in our companies history. More than 300 man hours (we log everything) have been spent on dealing with problems from this upgrade!For those of you with existing web sites I highly recommend that you DO NOT UPGRADE to webcatalog 4.x unless you are sure that none of these new features' are going to cripple you or give you a black eye with your associates and clients. The more sites you have the more cautious you should be. Don't leave it to chance that you code is clean and flawless.If you insist on getting 4.x for that I-can't-live-without-it feature set, do yourself a favor and download the demo to test ALL of your pages first.I can not stress enough just how painful this upgrade has been. Compound it by ebbing levels of support, responsiveness, sympathy, etc.Paul _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/|\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ _/_/_/Paul Uttermohlen, Interactive Ink, Inc._\_\_ \_\_\_\_ _/_/_/ mailto:paul@ims1.com - Website Development \_\_\_\_ _/_/_/ Business - _\_\_\_\_\_\_ _/_/_/ Real Estate - _\_\_\_\_ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ | \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
  1. Re: DON'T UPGRADE, was 4.0.x find (Vincent Medina 2000)
  2. DON'T UPGRADE, was 4.0.x find (Paul Uttermohlen 2000)
I would probably reccomend building a new server and developing only new sites with 4.x.... And keep the old sites running on the old version...->Vincent Medina - APC Net, Inc. ->Network & Custom PC Service/Sales ->Internet Design & Hosting Services ->http://www.apcn.net <> http://www.apcn.com ->email: vmedina@apcn.net-----Original Message----- From: WebCatalog Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of Paul Uttermohlen Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 4:06 PM To: WebCatalog Talk Subject: DON'T UPGRADE, was 4.0.x find > >I found a 8 bit gremlin in one of my checkout documents. I found it in 5 > >separate stores that have all been taking orders happily until this week > >when I upgraded. Then incomplete page loads. > > > >After wandering around grumpy because the code looked perfect, I got the > >clue by seeing that the page seemed to stop between two pieces of straight > >HTML. Turn on invisibles in BBEDIT and whalla. > > > >But since the only change has been WebCat 4.0.x I thought others might like > >to know. (and before anyone says it, I know gremlins will break pages. I > >know they are bad and shouldn't be supported. I just know they used to work > >and am trying to save someone else the stomach acid finding out why it just > >stopped ;-) > >People begged us to remove the code that used to remove >null-characters (gremlins in your case) automatically before >processing a template. So for 4.x we did this, under protest. Now >null-characters stay in, and WebDNA has no choice but to stop at that >point, as that is the end-of-string terminator character. > >Zap gremlins using BBEdit and you should be OK. >Technical Support ********************************** >Smith Micro, Internet Solutions Div | eCommerce (WebCatalog)GREMLINS?Hey! When I complained about this --- GREMLINS --- you guys said, well there is no way Webcatalog could insert gremlins into existing files. And that sounds right to me. You could have mentioned that existing gremlins previously overlooked are now going to cause problems.We have spent hundreds of hours zapping gremlins and fixing templates to work with 4.x. This has been the most disastrous upgrade in our companies history. More than 300 man hours (we log everything) have been spent on dealing with problems from this upgrade!For those of you with existing web sites I highly recommend that you DO NOT UPGRADE to webcatalog 4.x unless you are sure that none of these new features' are going to cripple you or give you a black eye with your associates and clients. The more sites you have the more cautious you should be. Don't leave it to chance that you code is clean and flawless.If you insist on getting 4.x for that I-can't-live-without-it feature set, do yourself a favor and download the demo to test ALL of your pages first.I can not stress enough just how painful this upgrade has been. Compound it by ebbing levels of support, responsiveness, sympathy, etc.Paul _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/|\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ _/_/_/Paul Uttermohlen, Interactive Ink, Inc._\_\_ \_\_\_\_ _/_/_/ mailto:paul@ims1.com - Website Development \_\_\_\_ _/_/_/ Business - _\_\_\_\_\_\_ _/_/_/ Real Estate - _\_\_\_\_ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ | \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ Vincent Medina

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