Re: DON'T UPGRADE, was 4.0.x find
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2000
It keeps the original formatting.
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texte = I would probably reccomend building a new server and developing only newsites with 4.x.... And keep the old sites running on the old version...->Vincent Medina - APC Net, Inc.->Network & Custom PC Service/Sales->Internet Design & Hosting Services->http://www.apcn.net <> http://www.apcn.com->email: vmedina@apcn.net-----Original Message-----From: WebCatalog Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]OnBehalf Of Paul UttermohlenSent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 4:06 PMTo: WebCatalog TalkSubject: DON'T UPGRADE, was 4.0.x find> >I found a 8 bit gremlin in one of my checkout documents. I found it in 5> >separate stores that have all been taking orders happily until this week> >when I upgraded. Then incomplete page loads.> >> >After wandering around grumpy because the code looked perfect, I got the> >clue by seeing that the page seemed to stop between two pieces ofstraight> >HTML. Turn on invisibles in BBEDIT and whalla.> >> >But since the only change has been WebCat 4.0.x I thought others mightlike> >to know. (and before anyone says it, I know gremlins will break pages. I> >know they are bad and shouldn't be supported. I just know they used towork> >and am trying to save someone else the stomach acid finding out why itjust> >stopped ;-)>>People begged us to remove the code that used to remove>null-characters (gremlins in your case) automatically before>processing a template. So for 4.x we did this, under protest. Now>null-characters stay in, and WebDNA has no choice but to stop at that>point, as that is the end-of-string terminator character.>>Zap gremlins using BBEdit and you should be OK.>Technical Support **********************************>Smith Micro, Internet Solutions Div | eCommerce (WebCatalog)GREMLINS?Hey! When I complained about this --- GREMLINS --- you guys said,well there is no way Webcatalog could insert gremlins into existingfiles. And that sounds right to me. You could have mentioned thatexisting gremlins previously overlooked are now going to causeproblems.We have spent hundreds of hours zapping gremlins and fixing templatesto work with 4.x. This has been the most disastrous upgrade in ourcompanies history. More than 300 man hours (we log everything) havebeen spent on dealing with problems from this upgrade!For those of you with existing web sites I highly recommend that youDO NOT UPGRADE to webcatalog 4.x unless you are sure that none ofthese new features' are going to cripple you or give you a black eyewith your associates and clients. The more sites you have the morecautious you should be. Don't leave it to chance that you code isclean and flawless.If you insist on getting 4.x for that I-can't-live-without-itfeature set, do yourself a favor and download the demo to test ALL ofyour pages first.I can not stress enough just how painful this upgrade has been.Compound it by ebbing levels of support, responsiveness, sympathy,etc.Paul _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/|\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ _/_/_/Paul Uttermohlen, Interactive Ink, Inc._\_\_ \_\_\_\_ _/_/_/ mailto:paul@ims1.com - Website Development \_\_\_\_ _/_/_/ Business -
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I would probably reccomend building a new server and developing only newsites with 4.x.... And keep the old sites running on the old version...->Vincent Medina - APC Net, Inc.->Network & Custom PC Service/Sales->Internet Design & Hosting Services->http://www.apcn.net <> http://www.apcn.com->email: vmedina@apcn.net-----Original Message-----From: WebCatalog Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]OnBehalf Of Paul UttermohlenSent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 4:06 PMTo: WebCatalog TalkSubject: DON'T UPGRADE, was 4.0.x find> >I found a 8 bit gremlin in one of my checkout documents. I found it in 5> >separate stores that have all been taking orders happily until this week> >when I upgraded. Then incomplete page loads.> >> >After wandering around grumpy because the code looked perfect, I got the> >clue by seeing that the page seemed to stop between two pieces ofstraight> >HTML. Turn on invisibles in BBEDIT and whalla.> >> >But since the only change has been WebCat 4.0.x I thought others mightlike> >to know. (and before anyone says it, I know gremlins will break pages. I> >know they are bad and shouldn't be supported. I just know they used towork> >and am trying to save someone else the stomach acid finding out why itjust> >stopped ;-)>>People begged us to remove the code that used to remove>null-characters (gremlins in your case) automatically before>processing a template. So for 4.x we did this, under protest. Now>null-characters stay in, and WebDNA has no choice but to stop at that>point, as that is the end-of-string terminator character.>>Zap gremlins using BBEdit and you should be OK.>Technical Support **********************************>Smith Micro, Internet Solutions Div | eCommerce (WebCatalog)GREMLINS?Hey! When I complained about this --- GREMLINS --- you guys said,well there is no way Webcatalog could insert gremlins into existingfiles. And that sounds right to me. You could have mentioned thatexisting gremlins previously overlooked are now going to causeproblems.We have spent hundreds of hours zapping gremlins and fixing templatesto work with 4.x. This has been the most disastrous upgrade in ourcompanies history. More than 300 man hours (we log everything) havebeen spent on dealing with problems from this upgrade!For those of you with existing web sites I highly recommend that youDO NOT UPGRADE to webcatalog 4.x unless you are sure that none ofthese new features' are going to cripple you or give you a black eyewith your associates and clients. The more sites you have the morecautious you should be. Don't leave it to chance that you code isclean and flawless.If you insist on getting 4.x for that I-can't-live-without-itfeature set, do yourself a favor and download the demo to test ALL ofyour pages first.I can not stress enough just how painful this upgrade has been.Compound it by ebbing levels of support, responsiveness, sympathy,etc.Paul _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/|\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ _/_/_/Paul Uttermohlen, Interactive Ink, Inc._\_\_ \_\_\_\_ _/_/_/ mailto:paul@ims1.com - Website Development \_\_\_\_ _/_/_/ Business - _\_\_\_\_\_\_ _/_/_/ Real Estate - _\_\_\_\__/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ | \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail toWeb Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/
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