Re: Comments Please ... Omnis Studio v WC
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texte = I think these are two very different types of middleware.WebCat is HTML<-->WebDNA/CGI<-->WebCat Data or SQL data Great for when a random browser approaches a site for ecommerce. No visual development solutions though so the appearance can vary. Omnis is HTML/application through browser plugin<-->CGI<-->ODBC data Visual development is great, browser plugin ensures uniform appearance. Most people won't d/l a plugin for one web site. This sounds like a pretty significant difference:Once you have developed your web page(s) and Omnis application containing your remote forms, you are ready to deploy your Web Client application. You place your Omnis application on either your Windows, Linux or Mac Omnis server, and upload your web page to your intranet or internet web server. When users access the web page they will be prompted to download the Web Client plug-in and any additional components needed for the application, then they can interact with your database dynamically. --From http://www.omnis.net/products/webclient/info.htmlI don't think most e-commerce customers will download 500kb or more of software just so they can buy from your site. It also said the data is dynamic in the client. This doesn't sound like stateless HTML. It sounds like it's more an easy application deployment solution (for enterprise deployment) than a CGI ecommerce HTML application. Omnis is an application development environment that also requires an ODBC database. I would guess that the application deployment requires greater bandwidth than a typical HTML transaction. Typically these applications are deployed within a single company because of the additional software required for the browser. FileMaker has the same thing with TCP/IP file sharing, but it works through a copy of FM installed on the client machine and not a browser plug-in. If your client is interested in random customers approaching their site for ecommerce, I think Omnis is a poor choice. If they are deploying a company wide application and can control the install on each machine, Omnis will allow the quick development of the application, but you still need to set up an ODBC database. Bill---- Terry Nair
wrote: > Hi all ... > > Trying to swing a client to buy WebCat for his Ecom needs. After pointing > their CTO to SM site and doing a presentation to their BOD, a question > was > raised that surprised me. > > Check out www.omnis.net and their software Omnis Studio 3. It is a > RAD > software with tremendous capability. It even comes with client side > processing via a plug-in for browsers, has a great IDE to facilitate > a quick > learning curve and ease of linking to industry standard database system. > > The question posed by the CTO then ... Between WC and Omnis, it is > obvious > that Omnis has greater potential and scalability. Why then is WC more > expensive? Would it not be more prudent to invest in an Omnis backend > at the > get go since it does lots more then WC and cost less? > > Well ... I graciously conceded that I was not aware of Omnis and would > get > back to them during the second round of meeting, after having had the > chance > to check it out. Well, I downloaded the demo and all the documentation. > Am > still in the process of evaluating .... > > If anyone out there has heard, dwelled on or used Omnis Studio ... > I would > appreciate your take on it with respect to the CTO's question. I especially > like the web client component capability. I am all ears and put learning > curve aside as a factor. > > Thanks all - Terry D. N. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ > __________________________________________________ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/
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I think these are two very different types of middleware.WebCat is HTML<-->WebDNA/CGI<-->WebCat Data or SQL data Great for when a random browser approaches a site for ecommerce. No visual development solutions though so the appearance can vary. Omnis is HTML/application through browser plugin<-->CGI<-->ODBC data Visual development is great, browser plugin ensures uniform appearance. Most people won't d/l a plugin for one web site. This sounds like a pretty significant difference:Once you have developed your web page(s) and Omnis application containing your remote forms, you are ready to deploy your Web Client application. You place your Omnis application on either your Windows, Linux or Mac Omnis server, and upload your web page to your intranet or internet web server. When users access the web page they will be prompted to download the Web Client plug-in and any additional components needed for the application, then they can interact with your database dynamically. --From http://www.omnis.net/products/webclient/info.htmlI don't think most e-commerce customers will download 500kb or more of software just so they can buy from your site. It also said the data is dynamic in the client. This doesn't sound like stateless HTML. It sounds like it's more an easy application deployment solution (for enterprise deployment) than a CGI ecommerce HTML application. Omnis is an application development environment that also requires an ODBC database. I would guess that the application deployment requires greater bandwidth than a typical HTML transaction. Typically these applications are deployed within a single company because of the additional software required for the browser. FileMaker has the same thing with TCP/IP file sharing, but it works through a copy of FM installed on the client machine and not a browser plug-in. If your client is interested in random customers approaching their site for ecommerce, I think Omnis is a poor choice. If they are deploying a company wide application and can control the install on each machine, Omnis will allow the quick development of the application, but you still need to set up an ODBC database. Bill---- Terry Nair wrote: > Hi all ... > > Trying to swing a client to buy WebCat for his Ecom needs. After pointing > their CTO to SM site and doing a presentation to their BOD, a question > was > raised that surprised me. > > Check out www.omnis.net and their software Omnis Studio 3. It is a > RAD > software with tremendous capability. It even comes with client side > processing via a plug-in for browsers, has a great IDE to facilitate > a quick > learning curve and ease of linking to industry standard database system. > > The question posed by the CTO then ... Between WC and Omnis, it is > obvious > that Omnis has greater potential and scalability. Why then is WC more > expensive? Would it not be more prudent to invest in an Omnis backend > at the > get go since it does lots more then WC and cost less? > > Well ... I graciously conceded that I was not aware of Omnis and would > get > back to them during the second round of meeting, after having had the > chance > to check it out. Well, I downloaded the demo and all the documentation. > Am > still in the process of evaluating .... > > If anyone out there has heard, dwelled on or used Omnis Studio ... > I would > appreciate your take on it with respect to the CTO's question. I especially > like the web client component capability. I am all ears and put learning > curve aside as a factor. > > Thanks all - Terry D. N. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ > __________________________________________________ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/
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