Re: WebDNA versus ASP [OT]

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2002

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texte = The big thing in webcats favour is the intergral database. that and the cartstuff for building ecommerce.with .Net - ASP wins just about everything else. its easier to use, morescaleable, stable, has better rapid app dev support and developer supportwith visual studio and is more widely known meaning better support and asyou said, a better employable resource.One other downside to ASP is that - if you haven't already done so you willneed to switch to an IIS platform - which most times means you almost need awhole another person to take care of the fragile thing.Also - your database will be expensive SQL Server 2000 runs at about 8k USDfor a single CPU and about 30k USD for multi.ASP is a better language and in terms of development and coding and is muchmore structured and in depth when compared with WebDNA.WebDNA has got most of what you would expect in a cut down quick and dirtylanguage and is easier to learn.The best way to win this arguement is to find a way to not have it in thefirst place.----- Original Message -----From: Pedro Rivera To: WebCatalog Talk Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:56 AMSubject: WebDNA versus ASP [OT]> The time has come for all men to come to the aid of their country (or in> this case of WebDNA)...>> Any how, here is my issue:>> Our management team brought Banta Corp. (www.banta.com) in so that theycan> tell us how to grow our business and of course be more profitable on our> website/catalog/etc.>> They recommended that we switch to ASP because the labor pool is biggerthan> that of WebDNA. I'm trying to compile a list of why we don't have toswitch> to WebDNA.>> So if any one know of something that we can't do with WebDNA but can bedone> with ASP or any thing against or for WebDNA/ASP please let me know.>> So the battle goes on...>> Thanks for your prompt reply.>> Pedro Rivera> Webmaster - Designer> www.pssl.com> pedror@pssl.com> 714-891-3990 Ext. 8174> 11070 Valley View St.> Cypress CA. 90630>>> -----Original Message-----> From: Dale LaFountain [mailto:dalel@darkhorse.com]> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:21 PM> To: WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com> Subject: Re: [OT]>>> Thanks Donovan.>> I'm here, just working too hard to post to the list very often. :)> Michael is around too, but he's mostly a lurker these days.>> Yup, we've been using webcat since version 2. Now that we're finally> 100% OSX and webcat 4, we're starting to use some webcat4-only> tags... Go [sum]! Go [case]! Holy cow, Verisign/java is soooooo much> faster than Cybercash/tcpconnect. 400 orders processed in less than> 2 hours!>> Our two biggest sites are:> http://www.darkhorse.com/> http://www.tfaw.com/>> or for an overview of all our sites:> http://www.dhorse.com/>> The gory details, for anyone who cares: All sites are hosted on 2 x> dual-1Ghz G4's running 10.2.1 and webcat 4.5. Images/media are> served from a redhat linux box at the moment, but that will be> upgraded to a G4 with 10.2.1 in the next couple weeks. Our traffic> is ~10k visits/day between darkhorse and tfaw. We have 3 full time> developers (plus me when I have time), 2 designers, one content> editor, one marketing person, and 3 customer service people running> the show. Needless to say, we keep busy, and it's not because we> always have a pile of comic books to read and action figures to play> with... :)>> On a slightly more on-topic note...>> You OSX'ers will be happy to hear that I just started testing a patch> for webcat that no longer stomps on database files if webcat happens> to crash in the middle of a commit/close/append. Thanks Le!>> I also heard a rumor that we will soon be able to set a webcat pref> for cartfile and db permissions to avoid the problems with mode 644> files. Cool, no more [shell] workarounds.>> Later,>> -Dale>> >Dale posted about a week ago - he is still lurking ..> >> >> I don't know if they did it alone, but I know that Michael Winston and> Dale> >> LaFountain were working for them - not sure about now though as I have> not> >> seen much of them lately. (where are you guys??)> >>> >> - Charles> >>> >> On 10/2/02 3:32 PM, Donovan wrote:> >>> >>> So I was looking for a comic in google. Found it and went> >>> to Dark Horse comics to order it. The feel of the site lookedfamiliar> >>> ;-)> >>> and when I went to look at the source I found ().> >>>> >>> If the creator is in the house.. nice site!. :-)> >>> thats all.> >>> Donovan> > >> -->> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/>> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

Re: WebDNA versus ASP [OT] (Andrew Simpson 2002)
Re: WebDNA versus ASP [OT] (Donovan 2002)
Re: WebDNA versus ASP [OT] (Pat McCormick 2002)
Re: WebDNA versus ASP [OT] (Pat McCormick 2002)
Re: WebDNA versus ASP [OT] (Andrew Simpson 2002)
WebDNA versus ASP [OT] (Pedro Rivera 2002)

The big thing in webcats favour is the intergral database. that and the cartstuff for building ecommerce.with .Net - ASP wins just about everything else. its easier to use, morescaleable, stable, has better rapid app dev support and developer supportwith visual studio and is more widely known meaning better support and asyou said, a better employable resource.One other downside to ASP is that - if you haven't already done so you willneed to switch to an IIS platform - which most times means you almost need awhole another person to take care of the fragile thing.Also - your database will be expensive SQL Server 2000 runs at about 8k USDfor a single CPU and about 30k USD for multi.ASP is a better language and in terms of development and coding and is muchmore structured and in depth when compared with WebDNA.WebDNA has got most of what you would expect in a cut down quick and dirtylanguage and is easier to learn.The best way to win this arguement is to find a way to not have it in thefirst place.----- Original Message -----From: Pedro Rivera To: WebCatalog Talk Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:56 AMSubject: WebDNA versus ASP [OT]> The time has come for all men to come to the aid of their country (or in> this case of WebDNA)...>> Any how, here is my issue:>> Our management team brought Banta Corp. (www.banta.com) in so that theycan> tell us how to grow our business and of course be more profitable on our> website/catalog/etc.>> They recommended that we switch to ASP because the labor pool is biggerthan> that of WebDNA. I'm trying to compile a list of why we don't have toswitch> to WebDNA.>> So if any one know of something that we can't do with WebDNA but can bedone> with ASP or any thing against or for WebDNA/ASP please let me know.>> So the battle goes on...>> Thanks for your prompt reply.>> Pedro Rivera> Webmaster - Designer> www.pssl.com> pedror@pssl.com> 714-891-3990 Ext. 8174> 11070 Valley View St.> Cypress CA. 90630>>> -----Original Message-----> From: Dale LaFountain [mailto:dalel@darkhorse.com]> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:21 PM> To: WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com> Subject: Re: [OT]>>> Thanks Donovan.>> I'm here, just working too hard to post to the list very often. :)> Michael is around too, but he's mostly a lurker these days.>> Yup, we've been using webcat since version 2. Now that we're finally> 100% OSX and webcat 4, we're starting to use some webcat4-only> tags... Go [sum]! Go [case]! Holy cow, Verisign/java is soooooo much> faster than Cybercash/tcpconnect. 400 orders processed in less than> 2 hours!>> Our two biggest sites are:> http://www.darkhorse.com/> http://www.tfaw.com/>> or for an overview of all our sites:> http://www.dhorse.com/>> The gory details, for anyone who cares: All sites are hosted on 2 x> dual-1Ghz G4's running 10.2.1 and webcat 4.5. Images/media are> served from a redhat linux box at the moment, but that will be> upgraded to a G4 with 10.2.1 in the next couple weeks. Our traffic> is ~10k visits/day between darkhorse and tfaw. We have 3 full time> developers (plus me when I have time), 2 designers, one content> editor, one marketing person, and 3 customer service people running> the show. Needless to say, we keep busy, and it's not because we> always have a pile of comic books to read and action figures to play> with... :)>> On a slightly more on-topic note...>> You OSX'ers will be happy to hear that I just started testing a patch> for webcat that no longer stomps on database files if webcat happens> to crash in the middle of a commit/close/append. Thanks Le!>> I also heard a rumor that we will soon be able to set a webcat pref> for cartfile and db permissions to avoid the problems with mode 644> files. Cool, no more [shell] workarounds.>> Later,>> -Dale>> >Dale posted about a week ago - he is still lurking ..> >> >> I don't know if they did it alone, but I know that Michael Winston and> Dale> >> LaFountain were working for them - not sure about now though as I have> not> >> seen much of them lately. (where are you guys??)> >>> >> - Charles> >>> >> On 10/2/02 3:32 PM, Donovan wrote:> >>> >>> So I was looking for a comic in google. Found it and went> >>> to Dark Horse comics to order it. The feel of the site lookedfamiliar> >>> ;-)> >>> and when I went to look at the source I found ().> >>>> >>> If the creator is in the house.. nice site!. :-)> >>> thats all.> >>> Donovan> > >> -->> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/>> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ Andrew Simpson

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