Re: WebDNA for Dummies (OT)

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2004

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texte = Speaking of unfinished projects, a cursory glance at http://www.kengrome.com:The link to "contact.html"produces a 404.HTH,PatOn 5 Mar 2004, at 05:27, Kenneth Grome wrote:>> Relax, I'm sure you won't have to contribute a moment of thought to >> any effort you feel unworthy.>>>> Thank you for your kind contribution and encouraging input.>>> Mark, I see this same kind of "pie in the sky" dream talk every few > months on this list. The last time it was about developing a database > tool called "digger" which failed of course, just like all the other > dreams about a successful volunteer effort to make better resources > for the webdna community.>> Maybe it's time for everyone to wake up and realize that nothing is > ever going to be finished or maintained (and both are necessary) > unless someone does it as a PAID JOB. And that brings up the question > of who is going to pay for it? Certainly not SMSI from what I have > seen.>> Everyone has all these great ideas but no one actually starts and > actually finishes the work. Some of you start, but as soon as you get > a paid programming job (or some other real job) you drop your efforts > to finish what you started for the webdna community, then it becomes > just one more failed effort that we can all look back on and say "Gee, > if only he had finished it ...">> :(>> Volunteer efforts will never work in this too-small community of > webdna programmers, that's my personal belief. Sorry if this hurts > people's feelings but that's just what I believe, based on everything > I have seen during the past 8 years. Therefore, until at least ONE of > these efforts is completed and functional, I will continue to believe > it.>> You all can keep dreaming of a successful volunteer effort if you > want, but those of you who sit there and post all these great ideas > might want to think about actually WORKING on just one of them for a > few hours every day, without any excuses about having other more > important things to do with your free time ... and then we will see > just how long you actually contribute a couple hours each day before > deciding that it's just not worth it to you personally. I can > guarantee you that something will happen to draw your attention away > from this effort, and you will never go back and finish it.>> By the way Mark, I have previously contributed a minimum of 2-3 hours > a day (sometimes twice that much) virtually every day for the first > two or three years this talk list existed, in an effort to find and > post the proper answer to every question someone posted to the list. > This was all totally free support from me to anyone and everyone who > asked a question on the list during that period of time. To me this > seems like a substantial contribution to the effort to improve webdna > resources, and as such I feel that I have done more than my share.>> So even though you don't like the fact that I said "it all depends > upon your perspective" whether or not an effort like this is > worthwhile, I in fact *do* believe it is worthwhile. My contribution > of thousands of hours of tech support on the list is still available > to anyone who cares to use it.>> And for those of you who have yet to do anything but suggest ideas, I > think it's time that you sit down and do something USEFUL on one of > these "webdna dream projects" instead of just talking about how great > it would be if "we" or if "someone" (read SOMEONE ELSE) puts it all > together ...>> Everyone has great ideas, and great excuses for not doing it > themselves.>> -- >> Kenneth Grome> WebDNA Programmer> Outsource Service Provider> Phone: +6332 255-6591>> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/>>---------------------------------------------------------Netro42 - http://www.netro42.comWeb design and development---------------------------------------------------------Netro42 Limited39 - 51 Highgate Road London NW5 1RTT: 020 7267 7002F: 020 7267 7544E: mailto:patrick.holliday@netro42.com----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

Re: WebDNA for Dummies (OT) ( Pat Holliday 2004)

Speaking of unfinished projects, a cursory glance at http://www.kengrome.com:The link to "contact.html"produces a 404.HTH,PatOn 5 Mar 2004, at 05:27, Kenneth Grome wrote:>> Relax, I'm sure you won't have to contribute a moment of thought to >> any effort you feel unworthy.>>>> Thank you for your kind contribution and encouraging input.>>> Mark, I see this same kind of "pie in the sky" dream talk every few > months on this list. The last time it was about developing a database > tool called "digger" which failed of course, just like all the other > dreams about a successful volunteer effort to make better resources > for the webdna community.>> Maybe it's time for everyone to wake up and realize that nothing is > ever going to be finished or maintained (and both are necessary) > unless someone does it as a PAID JOB. And that brings up the question > of who is going to pay for it? Certainly not SMSI from what I have > seen.>> Everyone has all these great ideas but no one actually starts and > actually finishes the work. Some of you start, but as soon as you get > a paid programming job (or some other real job) you drop your efforts > to finish what you started for the webdna community, then it becomes > just one more failed effort that we can all look back on and say "Gee, > if only he had finished it ...">> :(>> Volunteer efforts will never work in this too-small community of > webdna programmers, that's my personal belief. Sorry if this hurts > people's feelings but that's just what I believe, based on everything > I have seen during the past 8 years. Therefore, until at least ONE of > these efforts is completed and functional, I will continue to believe > it.>> You all can keep dreaming of a successful volunteer effort if you > want, but those of you who sit there and post all these great ideas > might want to think about actually WORKING on just one of them for a > few hours every day, without any excuses about having other more > important things to do with your free time ... and then we will see > just how long you actually contribute a couple hours each day before > deciding that it's just not worth it to you personally. I can > guarantee you that something will happen to draw your attention away > from this effort, and you will never go back and finish it.>> By the way Mark, I have previously contributed a minimum of 2-3 hours > a day (sometimes twice that much) virtually every day for the first > two or three years this Talk List existed, in an effort to find and > post the proper answer to every question someone posted to the list. > This was all totally free support from me to anyone and everyone who > asked a question on the list during that period of time. To me this > seems like a substantial contribution to the effort to improve webdna > resources, and as such I feel that I have done more than my share.>> So even though you don't like the fact that I said "it all depends > upon your perspective" whether or not an effort like this is > worthwhile, I in fact *do* believe it is worthwhile. My contribution > of thousands of hours of tech support on the list is still available > to anyone who cares to use it.>> And for those of you who have yet to do anything but suggest ideas, I > think it's time that you sit down and do something USEFUL on one of > these "webdna dream projects" instead of just talking about how great > it would be if "we" or if "someone" (read SOMEONE ELSE) puts it all > together ...>> Everyone has great ideas, and great excuses for not doing it > themselves.>> -- >> Kenneth Grome> WebDNA Programmer> Outsource Service Provider> Phone: +6332 255-6591>> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/>>---------------------------------------------------------Netro42 - http://www.netro42.comWeb design and development---------------------------------------------------------Netro42 Limited39 - 51 Highgate Road London NW5 1RTT: 020 7267 7002F: 020 7267 7544E: mailto:patrick.holliday@netro42.com----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Pat Holliday

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Re: WebDNA for Dummies (OT)

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