Re: Mass deletion of records
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texte = One more thing, I used to have "strange problems" with WebDNA not interpreting its code properly from time to time, and the only way I could fix the problem was to reboot the server or the WebDNA software. It seems that whatever was causing the "glitch" was cleared after the reboot. I don't remember if you said that you tried this yet, but it probably wouldn't hurt ...Sincerely,Kenneth Gromewww.kengrome.comOn Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:34:28 +0800, Kenneth Grome wrote:> That was just a wild guess because I couldn't think of anything else > that might be causing it ... but if you've got a lot more RAM than > you need, then that's certainly not it, is it?> > Seems rather strange that you'd be having these problems all of a > sudden when you haven't changed any code in a couple years and you > never had the problem until recently. > > Maybe someone else has changed your code without your knowledge? Or > someone has found a way to hack the server somehow? Once again I'm > just grasping at straws because I've never seen this problem before, > but when something new like this starts to happen I always look for > anything that might possibly have changed to cause it, even if it's > not likely.> > I don't imagine that SMSI will do anything about this if in fact it > is the WebDNA software that's failing, so if you never figure it out > yourself I guess the next best thing is to just create those > automatic backups periodically -- and save them on another drive so > if the existing drive craps out on you then at least you won't lose > your data.> > That brings up the question of whether or not the drive is already > starting to crap out on you, doesn't it? Maybe this has nothing to > do with WebDNA and everything to do with a failing hard drive ... ?> > Sincerely,> Kenneth Grome> www.kengrome.com> > > > > > On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:24:44 +1100, Stuart Tremain wrote:>> Ken>> >> I recently took a website off the server and put it on its own server >> to free things up. The server is now overspeced for the amount of >> work that it does. The dbs total less than 8 megs and the db in >> question only has 2100 records.>> >> The server has 2gb RAM.>> >> Stuart Tremain>> idfk web developments, sydney, australia>> >> >> On 31 Jan 2006, at 4:18 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote:>> >>> Maybe you need more RAM because the db's are getting too big and >>> webdna is failing to save the data properly to disk when it has to >>> close one db in order to open another one ...>>> >>> Sincerely,>>> Kenneth Grome>>> www.kengrome.com>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:22:47 +1100, Stuart Tremain wrote:>>>> Donovan>>>> >>>> Did you read that link I sent.>>>> >>>> Yes I had backups but they only happen once a day (every hour now)>>>> >>>> Yesterday over 900 records were deleted - yes GONE.>>>> >>>> Within the sandbox that the db resides in there is not one [delete]>>>> in any of the code ! Delete command is disabled.>>>> >>>> The db has been stable for years and in the past 2 weeks it has>>>> dumped records 3 times.>>>> >>>> And yes nothing like this has happened to me EVER in 8 years ! I>>>> always wondered what it would feel like to see an almost empty db,>>>> let me tell you it isn't great!>>>> >>>> Stuart Tremain>>>> idfk web developments, sydney, australia>>>> >>>> >>>> On 31 Jan 2006, at 3:09 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote:>>>> >>>>> Stuart Tremain wrote:>>>>> >>>>>> I have had a mass deletion of records from a db that has ben>>>>>> stable for a number of years, no work has been done to any of the>>>>>> system that would delete records. There is not even a [Delete] in>>>>>> the site.>>>>>> I noted in the archives other people having this 'mystery'>>>>>> deletion. Has anyone come up with an answer ?>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stuart,>>>>> I'm not saying it didn't happen... but nothing in your>>>>> statement makes me certain that this is just some sort of majic >>>>> deletion.>>>>> There are so many possibilities for mass data deletion that stem>>>>> from bad code that it makes it hard for me to believe anyone when>>>>> they say this has happened... (knock on wood). Just because it baffells>>>>> someone, doesn't mean its majic. I get baffelled in one way or another>>>>> most everytime I code something significant.>>>>> >>>>> Is there a interpret tag in your "site" somewhere?>>>>> Is there a bad CR in your database.>>>>> What do you mean by "Site" (you have to be weary of *any* code that can>>>>> reach that database).>>>>> Are the records *deleted* for sure, or have the values been replaced?>>>>> What kind of commands do you allow?>>>>> What platform/permissions.>>>>> >>>>> Again, I'm not saying some wierd bug didn't happen. I'm just >>>>> saying that>>>>> I've have never had any mass deletions.. and I'm anxiously>>>>> anticipating it..>>>>> because at least I could troubleshoot for myself (and my system is>>>>> backed up daily).>>>>> >>>>> I've done quite a lot of code for ppl and as far as I know, >>>>> nothing like>>>>> this has happened (that couldn't be explained).>>>>> >>>>> At any right, sorry that it happened, and I hope you had backups.>>>>> >>>>> Donovan>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o>>>>> DONOVAN D. BROOKE EUCA Design Center>>>>> >>>>> <- Web Development (specializing in eCommerce),->>>>>> <- Custom Paint, Labels, and Specialty Signage. ->>>>>> <- Home and Business Embellishment/Fabrication, ->>>>>> <- Glass Blowing, and Art Glass ->>>>>> >>>>> PH/FAX:> 1 (608) 835-2476>>>>> Web:> http://www.egg.bz | http://www.euca.us>>>>> =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------->>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>> the mailing list
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One more thing, I used to have "strange problems" with WebDNA not interpreting its code properly from time to time, and the only way I could fix the problem was to reboot the server or the WebDNA software. It seems that whatever was causing the "glitch" was cleared after the reboot. I don't remember if you said that you tried this yet, but it probably wouldn't hurt ...Sincerely,Kenneth Gromewww.kengrome.comOn Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:34:28 +0800, Kenneth Grome wrote:> That was just a wild guess because I couldn't think of anything else > that might be causing it ... but if you've got a lot more RAM than > you need, then that's certainly not it, is it?> > Seems rather strange that you'd be having these problems all of a > sudden when you haven't changed any code in a couple years and you > never had the problem until recently. > > Maybe someone else has changed your code without your knowledge? Or > someone has found a way to hack the server somehow? Once again I'm > just grasping at straws because I've never seen this problem before, > but when something new like this starts to happen I always look for > anything that might possibly have changed to cause it, even if it's > not likely.> > I don't imagine that SMSI will do anything about this if in fact it > is the WebDNA software that's failing, so if you never figure it out > yourself I guess the next best thing is to just create those > automatic backups periodically -- and save them on another drive so > if the existing drive craps out on you then at least you won't lose > your data.> > That brings up the question of whether or not the drive is already > starting to crap out on you, doesn't it? Maybe this has nothing to > do with WebDNA and everything to do with a failing hard drive ... ?> > Sincerely,> Kenneth Grome> www.kengrome.com> > > > > > On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:24:44 +1100, Stuart Tremain wrote:>> Ken>> >> I recently took a website off the server and put it on its own server >> to free things up. The server is now overspeced for the amount of >> work that it does. The dbs total less than 8 megs and the db in >> question only has 2100 records.>> >> The server has 2gb RAM.>> >> Stuart Tremain>> idfk web developments, sydney, australia>> >> >> On 31 Jan 2006, at 4:18 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote:>> >>> Maybe you need more RAM because the db's are getting too big and >>> webdna is failing to save the data properly to disk when it has to >>> close one db in order to open another one ...>>> >>> Sincerely,>>> Kenneth Grome>>> www.kengrome.com>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:22:47 +1100, Stuart Tremain wrote:>>>> Donovan>>>> >>>> Did you read that link I sent.>>>> >>>> Yes I had backups but they only happen once a day (every hour now)>>>> >>>> Yesterday over 900 records were deleted - yes GONE.>>>> >>>> Within the sandbox that the db resides in there is not one [delete]>>>> in any of the code ! Delete command is disabled.>>>> >>>> The db has been stable for years and in the past 2 weeks it has>>>> dumped records 3 times.>>>> >>>> And yes nothing like this has happened to me EVER in 8 years ! I>>>> always wondered what it would feel like to see an almost empty db,>>>> let me tell you it isn't great!>>>> >>>> Stuart Tremain>>>> idfk web developments, sydney, australia>>>> >>>> >>>> On 31 Jan 2006, at 3:09 PM, Donovan Brooke wrote:>>>> >>>>> Stuart Tremain wrote:>>>>> >>>>>> I have had a mass deletion of records from a db that has ben>>>>>> stable for a number of years, no work has been done to any of the>>>>>> system that would delete records. There is not even a [delete] in>>>>>> the site.>>>>>> I noted in the archives other people having this 'mystery'>>>>>> deletion. Has anyone come up with an answer ?>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stuart,>>>>> I'm not saying it didn't happen... but nothing in your>>>>> statement makes me certain that this is just some sort of majic >>>>> deletion.>>>>> There are so many possibilities for mass data deletion that stem>>>>> from bad code that it makes it hard for me to believe anyone when>>>>> they say this has happened... (knock on wood). Just because it baffells>>>>> someone, doesn't mean its majic. I get baffelled in one way or another>>>>> most everytime I code something significant.>>>>> >>>>> Is there a interpret tag in your "site" somewhere?>>>>> Is there a bad CR in your database.>>>>> What do you mean by "Site" (you have to be weary of *any* code that can>>>>> reach that database).>>>>> Are the records *deleted* for sure, or have the values been replaced?>>>>> What kind of commands do you allow?>>>>> What platform/permissions.>>>>> >>>>> Again, I'm not saying some wierd bug didn't happen. I'm just >>>>> saying that>>>>> I've have never had any mass deletions.. and I'm anxiously>>>>> anticipating it..>>>>> because at least I could troubleshoot for myself (and my system is>>>>> backed up daily).>>>>> >>>>> I've done quite a lot of code for ppl and as far as I know, >>>>> nothing like>>>>> this has happened (that couldn't be explained).>>>>> >>>>> At any right, sorry that it happened, and I hope you had backups.>>>>> >>>>> Donovan>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o>>>>> DONOVAN D. BROOKE EUCA Design Center>>>>> >>>>> <- Web Development (specializing in eCommerce),->>>>>> <- Custom Paint, Labels, and Specialty Signage. ->>>>>> <- Home and Business Embellishment/Fabrication, ->>>>>> <- Glass Blowing, and Art Glass ->>>>>> >>>>> PH/FAX:> 1 (608) 835-2476>>>>> Web:> http://www.egg.bz | http://www.euca.us>>>>> =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------->>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to>>>>> >>>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/>>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to>>>> >>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/>>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>> >>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/>> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/> > -------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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