Re: [WebDNA] OT: what is the "right" platform ?
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texte = We're running about 60 sites, all built with our cms based on webdna. =the server is a g5, osx 10.4, iTools 8.2.=20For mail we use EIMS on a separate machine and the dns are on two minis, =running the men and mice suite.=20I think the webserver has reached a limit, where it runs stable and fast =enough for this 60 sites, eventually we'll move this one later to intel =and updating to itools 9, but this has no hurry.Beside we'll setup the second server for new sites.We also run a SL server with iCal Server, FileServices and Podcast =Producer. The GUI is really getting better and better with each release =and the possibilities to manage Apache are looking nice ... I just never =used it to host customer websites, just for the wiki stuff, which is =quite useful in my opinion.So this is the main question: is the SL Servers Apache GUI good enough =to manage dozens of customer sites?We don't need a lot of special configs, just web- and ftp/webdav access =...I totally agree, a mini is not a platform for hosting customer sites and =running services on separate machines is the only solution for us (mail, =web, dns).What I've seen so far on the SL Server is ....- the configuration is a lot easier than on Leopard Server- I wouldn't use dovecot because of the lack of greylisting- Podcast Producer 2 can be quite tricky to configure, till now we were =unable to receive notifications by email after PP2 has finished a job- iCal Server lacks a few features we're waiting for (real group =calenders, invitations and delegations on the iPhone, group address =books on the CardDAV server)Btw, we're using Retrospect 8 on a separate machine to backup all the =servers. The first try on a g4 xserve was totally unstable, it =definitely needs a fast Intel machine!Thierry=20Am 16.12.2009 um 20:55 schrieb Bob Minor:> I agree with this assessment, the advantages that an xserve bring are =in the amount of memory, drives, and hardware monitoring that goes into =them. If you need those features and plenty of folks do then the xserve =is a great way to go. We don't use iTools, but we can see its value for =some folks. I am fairly proficient with the command line and can deal =with most config issues that way. we also use the gui and with each =iteration the gui gets better. I wouldn't trust commerce level sites to =a mac mini unless I was sure of its backups, the xserve gives you that. =We have a lot of people get their feet wet with the mac mini running =snow leopard and snow leopard server, when they outgrow their hardware =they move up to an xserve and they usually know well in advance that its =time for the move.>=20> Robert Minor> Director of Internet Services> ------------------------------------------------------------> Cybermill Communications =20> http://www.cybermill.com=20>=20> Providing Ecommerce and interactive website development and> hosting services on Macintosh, Windows NT, *nix, and AS/400.>=20> Complete ddos proofting solutions and network services.>=20> On Dec 16, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Patrick McCormick wrote:>=20>> It might be worth considering an ordinary SL machine (not the server) =and installing something like webmin to help manage apache, bind, and =whatever other services you want the machine to run.>>=20>> If you don't have to manage lots of different sites and domains, this =works out well. You end up with lots of minis, each one handling only a =few domains. If you plan to load up each machine, you might prefer a =box that can handle more drives as the load grows.>>=20>> I like how simple managing an ordinary SL machine is. It's already =familiar to me and I can really control what I don't want running for =security sake.>>=20>> I don't think there's any performance difference between SL Server =and regular SL. They both use Apache, Bind, etc. SL Server provides more =management tools and file sharing features, but for web hosting, there's =not that much difference.>>=20>> Pat>>=20>> On Dec 16, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Thierry Almy wrote:>>=20>>> Hi>>>=20>>> We're about to set up a new webserver and think about what system to =use ... it has to run on OS X, with Apache and WebDNA plus a few tools =like ImageMagick.>>>=20>>> We're using iTools for years now. I like the product, the support is =ok (while the mailing list is poor), it runs quite stable but can be =tricky in case of problems / upgrades ... but anyhow, we know in urgent =cases we've got a helping hand at Tenon.=20>>>=20>>> But ... why not using SnowLeo Server and manage Apache with the =ServerAdmin in there?>>>=20>>> What are the benefits of OS X Server as an Apache server?>>> Is it more difficult to update future releases of Apache?>>>=20>>> What are you guys using?>>>=20>>> Thierry>>>=20>>> ______________________>>> mac&web gmbh>>> thierry almy>>> grabenstrasse 15>>> 8200 schaffhausen>>> switzerland>>> tel +41 (0)52 620 30 60>>> fax +41 (0)52 620 30 61>>> mail almy@mac-web.ch>>> web www.mac-web.ch>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list
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We're running about 60 sites, all built with our cms based on webdna. =the server is a g5, osx 10.4, iTools 8.2.=20For mail we use EIMS on a separate machine and the dns are on two minis, =running the men and mice suite.=20I think the webserver has reached a limit, where it runs stable and fast =enough for this 60 sites, eventually we'll move this one later to intel =and updating to itools 9, but this has no hurry.Beside we'll setup the second server for new sites.We also run a SL server with iCal Server, FileServices and Podcast =Producer. The GUI is really getting better and better with each release =and the possibilities to manage Apache are looking nice ... I just never =used it to host customer websites, just for the wiki stuff, which is =quite useful in my opinion.So this is the main question: is the SL Servers Apache GUI good enough =to manage dozens of customer sites?We don't need a lot of special configs, just web- and ftp/webdav access =...I totally agree, a mini is not a platform for hosting customer sites and =running services on separate machines is the only solution for us (mail, =web, dns).What I've seen so far on the SL Server is ....- the configuration is a lot easier than on Leopard Server- I wouldn't use dovecot because of the lack of greylisting- Podcast Producer 2 can be quite tricky to configure, till now we were =unable to receive notifications by email after PP2 has finished a job- iCal Server lacks a few features we're waiting for (real group =calenders, invitations and delegations on the iPhone, group address =books on the CardDAV server)Btw, we're using Retrospect 8 on a separate machine to backup all the =servers. The first try on a g4 xserve was totally unstable, it =definitely needs a fast Intel machine!Thierry=20Am 16.12.2009 um 20:55 schrieb Bob Minor:> I agree with this assessment, the advantages that an xserve bring are =in the amount of memory, drives, and hardware monitoring that goes into =them. If you need those features and plenty of folks do then the xserve =is a great way to go. We don't use iTools, but we can see its value for =some folks. I am fairly proficient with the command line and can deal =with most config issues that way. we also use the gui and with each =iteration the gui gets better. I wouldn't trust commerce level sites to =a mac mini unless I was sure of its backups, the xserve gives you that. =We have a lot of people get their feet wet with the mac mini running =snow leopard and snow leopard server, when they outgrow their hardware =they move up to an xserve and they usually know well in advance that its =time for the move.>=20> Robert Minor> Director of Internet Services> ------------------------------------------------------------> Cybermill Communications =20> http://www.cybermill.com=20>=20> Providing Ecommerce and interactive website development and> hosting services on Macintosh, Windows NT, *nix, and AS/400.>=20> Complete ddos proofting solutions and network services.>=20> On Dec 16, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Patrick McCormick wrote:>=20>> It might be worth considering an ordinary SL machine (not the server) =and installing something like webmin to help manage apache, bind, and =whatever other services you want the machine to run.>>=20>> If you don't have to manage lots of different sites and domains, this =works out well. You end up with lots of minis, each one handling only a =few domains. If you plan to load up each machine, you might prefer a =box that can handle more drives as the load grows.>>=20>> I like how simple managing an ordinary SL machine is. It's already =familiar to me and I can really control what I don't want running for =security sake.>>=20>> I don't think there's any performance difference between SL Server =and regular SL. They both use Apache, Bind, etc. SL Server provides more =management tools and file sharing features, but for web hosting, there's =not that much difference.>>=20>> Pat>>=20>> On Dec 16, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Thierry Almy wrote:>>=20>>> Hi>>>=20>>> We're about to set up a new webserver and think about what system to =use ... it has to run on OS X, with Apache and WebDNA plus a few tools =like ImageMagick.>>>=20>>> We're using iTools for years now. I like the product, the support is =ok (while the mailing list is poor), it runs quite stable but can be =tricky in case of problems / upgrades ... but anyhow, we know in urgent =cases we've got a helping hand at Tenon.=20>>>=20>>> But ... why not using SnowLeo Server and manage Apache with the =ServerAdmin in there?>>>=20>>> What are the benefits of OS X Server as an Apache server?>>> Is it more difficult to update future releases of Apache?>>>=20>>> What are you guys using?>>>=20>>> Thierry>>>=20>>> ______________________>>> mac&web gmbh>>> thierry almy>>> grabenstrasse 15>>> 8200 schaffhausen>>> switzerland>>> tel +41 (0)52 620 30 60>>> fax +41 (0)52 620 30 61>>> mail almy@mac-web.ch>>> web www.mac-web.ch>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/>>> Bug Reporting: =http://forum.webdna.us/eucabb.html?page=3Dtopics&category=3D288>>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/>> Bug Reporting: =http://forum.webdna.us/eucabb.html?page=3Dtopics&category=3D288>=20> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/> Bug Reporting: =http://forum.webdna.us/eucabb.html?page=3Dtopics&category=3D288
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