Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA 7
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2011
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texte = The old file based shopping cart system is one of the most difficult parts of WebDNA to understand and deal with, even when you do not inherit it from someone else. I just spent a week building a custom cart system for a client, and his online store has never been faster or easier for me to deal with -- now that I have replaced his old, confusing order file system with cookies and databases and a flexible calculation system that is super-easy to understand and debug. Unfortunately I think that a new WebDNA book may never be written. But there is (or was) a PDF manual that I printed and gave to my 200+ WebDNA trainees in the Philippines almost a decade ago. I required them to study it because it laid a solid foundation for professional use of the WebDNA language, and it is probably still the best printable resource out there, assuming WSC still makes it available for download. Sincerely, Kenneth Grome > I forget if I am suposed to top-post or not, so I > apolozie if I am doing the wrong thing here. > > But I thought I'd chime in on the book part. > > I would loooove to get some more concrete examples and > walkthroughs of the webdna, most of the system I am > working with (yes it is only one system and might not be > very complex compared to what others are working with) > is something I inherited and its a nightmare to figure > out what is going on half the time. > > If there were more/better ressources avaiable (I've not > come across these videos that are about so I'd like a > link if possible) then perhaps it would be easier to get > into and understand what is going on. Especially the > shopping-cart part of the system is something I've not > touched yet as I am simply afraid to break something I > can't fix. > > In short. Gimme a book or something, that is more > explaning than the very limited (in my oppinon) > documentation for webdna that i can find. > > /Tommy > On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:31:24 -0700, "Lori Palmquist" > >
wrote: > > I would like to chime in here, as a newbie. > > > > I am very excited about this new direction for WebDNA. > > A year ago, I started > > teaching myself web programming, so that I could create > > a few web applications for the landscape business. I > > got a subscription to Safari Books Online, and, with > > their wonderful selection of web development > > books, > > > I taught myself HTML, XHTML, and CSS. When it came time > > to put some life and > > functionality into my applications, a friend told me > > WebDNA was the best way > > to go. He said it was a powerful and efficient > > language. > > > > I looked all over for books, so that I could teach > > myself WebDNA, as I > > had > > > done with the other languages. But I couldn't find any > > books. The only teaching tool I could find, outside of > > the WebDNA.us website, was Brian Burton's website > > with tutorials. Brian's tutorials are excellent, but > > limited, and I burned through them quickly. The video > > tutorials that Donovan > > made were very good too, and I watched them several > > times. But they > > focused > > > mostly on store building, and my applications are very > > different from > > the > > > store model. Also, the online references on the WebDNA > > site are > > excellent, > > > but I have a hard time understanding them, because I > > have no programming background. > > > > I was very tempted to go over to PHP and MySQL, because > > there was a plethora > > of books and tutorials available. I did a search for > > PHP books on Safari Books Online, and found 143 books > > and video tutorials with PHP in the title. > > There were over 4,700 more books with at least a > > chapter dedicated to > > PHP. > > > I > > did a search on WebDNA, and found its name mentioned in > > one reference > > book > > > on servers that was published in 2006. > > > > Just as I was about to bail over to PHP, I decided to > > give WebDNA one > > more > > > go. I tried to take the Christophe's Tea Room > > application that comes > > with > > > the WebDNA package, and plug my application into it. In > > my very limited understanding of this language, and > > programming in general, it was > > quickly > > > clear that this approach wasn't going to work. So I got > > on the WebDNA Forum, > > and asked for help. Govinda was there immediately to > > take me by the > > hand, > > > and walk me through the code, acting as my programming > > teacher. If not > > for > > > Govinda's patience and good graces, I would not have > > become intimate > > with > > > this amazing language. > > > > I read every email that comes down the pike on this > > talk forum. I have learned so much, and so appreciate > > the sense of community and > > camaraderie > > > here. The participants are sharp, creative, and > > responsive. I love this mojo! You guys are the best! > > If the new direction is geared to > > attracting > > > more WebDNA developers, and it looks like it is... I, > > for one, give a > > big > > > "thumbs up". Who knows, maybe some of you will start > > writing some books. > > > > :) > > > > In deep appreciation and support, > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Donovan Brooke [mailto:dbrooke@euca.us] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:19 PM > > To: talk@webdna.us > > Subject: Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA 7 > > > > I just did a test on a ubuntu9x - WebDNA7 config and > > globals still > > works! > > > (I manually added a globals directory where the root of > > the WebDNA.fcgi file is and called a file from there) > > > > Now, I may be running a beta WebDNA7?? so I don't know > > if work was done to remove it. > > > > I have my 'WebDNA.fcgi' installed in a local cgi-bin > > directory. > > > > ?? > > > > anyway.. thought I'd test that while I'm awaiting rdc > > info from a client > > > > tonight. > > > > Ultimately, it would be better to have the ability to > > move that Globals directory wherever you want it.. via > > referencing a path in the webdna.ini file. > > > > > > > > Donovan > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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The old file based shopping cart system is one of the most difficult parts of WebDNA to understand and deal with, even when you do not inherit it from someone else. I just spent a week building a custom cart system for a client, and his online store has never been faster or easier for me to deal with -- now that I have replaced his old, confusing order file system with cookies and databases and a flexible calculation system that is super-easy to understand and debug. Unfortunately I think that a new WebDNA book may never be written. But there is (or was) a PDF manual that I printed and gave to my 200+ WebDNA trainees in the Philippines almost a decade ago. I required them to study it because it laid a solid foundation for professional use of the WebDNA language, and it is probably still the best printable resource out there, assuming WSC still makes it available for download. Sincerely, Kenneth Grome > I forget if I am suposed to top-post or not, so I > apolozie if I am doing the wrong thing here. > > But I thought I'd chime in on the book part. > > I would loooove to get some more concrete examples and > walkthroughs of the webdna, most of the system I am > working with (yes it is only one system and might not be > very complex compared to what others are working with) > is something I inherited and its a nightmare to figure > out what is going on half the time. > > If there were more/better ressources avaiable (I've not > come across these videos that are about so I'd like a > link if possible) then perhaps it would be easier to get > into and understand what is going on. Especially the > shopping-cart part of the system is something I've not > touched yet as I am simply afraid to break something I > can't fix. > > In short. Gimme a book or something, that is more > explaning than the very limited (in my oppinon) > documentation for webdna that i can find. > > /Tommy > On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:31:24 -0700, "Lori Palmquist" > > wrote: > > I would like to chime in here, as a newbie. > > > > I am very excited about this new direction for WebDNA. > > A year ago, I started > > teaching myself web programming, so that I could create > > a few web applications for the landscape business. I > > got a subscription to Safari Books Online, and, with > > their wonderful selection of web development > > books, > > > I taught myself HTML, XHTML, and CSS. When it came time > > to put some life and > > functionality into my applications, a friend told me > > WebDNA was the best way > > to go. He said it was a powerful and efficient > > language. > > > > I looked all over for books, so that I could teach > > myself WebDNA, as I > > had > > > done with the other languages. But I couldn't find any > > books. The only teaching tool I could find, outside of > > the WebDNA.us website, was Brian Burton's website > > with tutorials. Brian's tutorials are excellent, but > > limited, and I burned through them quickly. The video > > tutorials that Donovan > > made were very good too, and I watched them several > > times. But they > > focused > > > mostly on store building, and my applications are very > > different from > > the > > > store model. Also, the online references on the WebDNA > > site are > > excellent, > > > but I have a hard time understanding them, because I > > have no programming background. > > > > I was very tempted to go over to PHP and MySQL, because > > there was a plethora > > of books and tutorials available. I did a search for > > PHP books on Safari Books Online, and found 143 books > > and video tutorials with PHP in the title. > > There were over 4,700 more books with at least a > > chapter dedicated to > > PHP. > > > I > > did a search on WebDNA, and found its name mentioned in > > one reference > > book > > > on servers that was published in 2006. > > > > Just as I was about to bail over to PHP, I decided to > > give WebDNA one > > more > > > go. I tried to take the Christophe's Tea Room > > application that comes > > with > > > the WebDNA package, and plug my application into it. In > > my very limited understanding of this language, and > > programming in general, it was > > quickly > > > clear that this approach wasn't going to work. So I got > > on the WebDNA Forum, > > and asked for help. Govinda was there immediately to > > take me by the > > hand, > > > and walk me through the code, acting as my programming > > teacher. If not > > for > > > Govinda's patience and good graces, I would not have > > become intimate > > with > > > this amazing language. > > > > I read every email that comes down the pike on this > > talk forum. I have learned so much, and so appreciate > > the sense of community and > > camaraderie > > > here. The participants are sharp, creative, and > > responsive. I love this mojo! You guys are the best! > > If the new direction is geared to > > attracting > > > more WebDNA developers, and it looks like it is... I, > > for one, give a > > big > > > "thumbs up". Who knows, maybe some of you will start > > writing some books. > > > > :) > > > > In deep appreciation and support, > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Donovan Brooke [mailto:dbrooke@euca.us] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:19 PM > > To: talk@webdna.us > > Subject: Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA 7 > > > > I just did a test on a ubuntu9x - WebDNA7 config and > > globals still > > works! > > > (I manually added a globals directory where the root of > > the WebDNA.fcgi file is and called a file from there) > > > > Now, I may be running a beta WebDNA7?? so I don't know > > if work was done to remove it. > > > > I have my 'WebDNA.fcgi' installed in a local cgi-bin > > directory. > > > > ?? > > > > anyway.. thought I'd test that while I'm awaiting rdc > > info from a client > > > > tonight. > > > > Ultimately, it would be better to have the ability to > > move that Globals directory wherever you want it.. via > > referencing a path in the webdna.ini file. > > > > > > > > Donovan > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
Kenneth Grome
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