Re: [WebDNA] Brian Harrington

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texte = 2458 --00000000000035241c0593b734fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been in business my whole life and surely value time and $... and for someone to offer to help then throw "FREE" in my face is just more blah blah... I expected you all to clan together against me... u all been doing it for years and that's why I never see anyone new here or they don't stay very long and the reason I was off the list for so long... blah blah... THANK YOU STUART AND YES YOU DONAVAN FOR ALL YOUR FREE ADVISE! On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 8:21 PM Donovan Brooke wrote: > Been there. Good on you for helping that long Stuart. I learned long ago > to steer clear from people who don=E2=80=99t understand the value of a pe= rsons time > / energy. > > D. Brooke Mobile > > On Sep 28, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Stuart Tremain > wrote: > > I have really leaned another one of this life's lessons today. > > As any member of this list will may or may not know I have been an active > member of this list for 20+ years. > > During this time I have learned so much about the use of WebDNA from > people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others that have since move= d > on. > > I have always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times have > gone far and beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed giving back > to the community from which my skills have grown. This I believe is the > reason why I have been contracted by WebDNA users from around the world. > > I have seen many users over the years with configuration problems, in > particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I > wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fres= h > installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an image = of > the same available to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that > WebDNA would become a quick easy solution for members of this list to > implement. > > I had a number of people request a copy of this image, none of whom have > taken up the offer. One user requested that I build an image that anyone > could use on any platform. However this is not possible for cloud servers > as each cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their > hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish will work if you > follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation. > > And then along came Brian Harrington. > > I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have done for > Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I extend to al= l > members of this list. > > Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I > offered to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less than = a > minute later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, > Brian had some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not receive= d > the image that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things > easier and so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply comple= ted the > installation from the instructions that I had published. > > Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu 18.0= 4 > server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that was onl= y > requiring a license number. > > As you will know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is > also installed on the Droplet. > > What happened next is purely comical, if I published the emails that I > received and you read the warnings that I provided, plus the repeated > advice that I gave, you would see exactly where Brian=E2=80=99s problems= are. > > From here all Brian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/html > and set up his Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional > with all the standard file extensions that are installed with the WebDNA > installer. > > As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the other on > 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he could have a > working reference. > > However Brian had other plans, he wanted to create a new directory > /Library/Websites to be the root directory of his webserver, remember thi= s > is the same person that has had no experience with a Linux server, he has > had experience with a Mac server so I believed that he had a good sense o= f > being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use the= installed > Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache configuration by uploading files with > FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have a FTP client. > > Brian, you may remember the Skype message that I sent you expressing my > concern that if you work outside the standard installation you would brea= k > it. > > For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his questions, > provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s email= s were > interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not able to > answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference. > > Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email from > Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for hi= m > too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him that > in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend. > > So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer this > morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the us= ually quiet WebDNA > list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his installation. > > What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are comments > pointed to myself by Brian such as: > "*TalkList members say they will help... then they are GONE and suddenly > don't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone setti= ng > you up to fail...!!!*=E2=80=9D > > Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from his Mac server to th= e > Linux environment without any alterations. He believes that it was easier > to change the configuration of the Linux/Apache server than to use search > and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems relate directly t= o > Permissions and the relocation of his server root. I note that Brian has > said: > " *I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserver files are gonna be > an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and everything else.*=E2=80= =9D, I > guess to Brian taking advice from someone that has 23 operational Ubuntu > 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense. > > So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100% > operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the > /var/www/html directory and had their ownership and preferences checked, > and had simply changed the root locations in your vhost configuration fil= e > simply with a search and replace with your text editor. If you listened t= o > the FREE advice that you were given or you could have even asked me to do > it you would have had a fully functional server many days ago. > > Now I would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you > have made about me. > > Kind regards > > Stuart Tremain > Pharoah Lane Software > AUSTRALIA > webdna@plsoftware.com.au > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- This message is > sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: > http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.u= s > > --------------------------------------------------------- This message is > sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: > http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.u= s --=20 Brian Harrington Auto Glass Xpress 2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063 Getzville, NY 14068 (716) 861-2029 www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com --00000000000035241c0593b734fc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been in business my whole life and surely value t= ime and $... and for someone to offer to help then throw "FREE" i= n my face is just more blah blah... I expected you all to clan together aga= inst me... u all been doing it for years and that's why I never see any= one new here or they don't stay very long and the reason I was off the = list for so long... blah blah... THANK YOU STUART AND YES YOU DONAVAN FOR A= LL YOUR FREE ADVISE!


On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 8:21 PM Donovan = Brooke <dbrooke@euca.us> wrote= :
Been there. Good on you for helping that long Stuart. I learned long ag= o to steer clear from people who don=E2=80=99t understand the value of a pe= rsons time / energy.=C2=A0

D. Brooke Mobile

On = Sep 28, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:
=
I have really leaned a= nother one of this life's lessons today.

As any memb= er of this list will may or may not know I have been an active member of th= is list for 20+ years.

During this time I have lea= rned so much about the use of WebDNA from people such as Ken Grome, Donovan= Brooke, and others that have since moved on.

I ha= ve always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times have gone fa= r and beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed giving back to the c= ommunity from which my skills have grown. This I believe is the reason why = I have been contracted by WebDNA users from around the world.
I have seen many users over the years with configuration proble= ms, in particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason wh= y I wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fr= esh installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an imag= e of the same available to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that = WebDNA would become a quick easy solution for members of this list to imple= ment.

I had a number of people request a copy of t= his image, none of whom have taken up the offer. One user requested that I = build an image that anyone could use on any platform. However this is not p= ossible for cloud servers as each cloud provider has their own flavour of U= buntu tuned to their hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish= will work if you follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 insta= llation.

And then along came Brian Harrington.=C2= =A0

I must preface this with the fact that everyth= ing that i have done for Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good w= ill that I extend to all members of this list.

Bri= an was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I offer= ed to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less than a minut= e later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, Brian = had some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not received the im= age that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things easier = and so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply completed the i= nstallation from the instructions=C2=A0that I had published.

=
Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ub= untu 18.04 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server tha= t was only requiring a license number.

As you will= know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is also installe= d on the Droplet.

What happened next is purely com= ical, if I published the emails that I received and you read the warnings t= hat I provided, plus the repeated advice that I gave, =C2=A0you would see e= xactly where Brian=E2=80=99s problems are.

From he= re all Brian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/html and set = up his Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional with all th= e standard file extensions that are installed with the WebDNA installer.

As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, on= e on 80 the other on 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that = he could have a working reference.

However Brian h= ad other plans, he wanted to create a new directory /Library/Websites to be= the root directory of his webserver, remember this is the same person that= has had no experience with a Linux server, he has had experience with a Ma= c server so I believed that he had a good sense of being able to manage a L= inux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use the installed Webmin, he want= ed to do all Apache configuration by uploading files with FTP however he di= dn=E2=80=99t have a FTP client.

Brian, you may rem= ember the Skype message that I sent you expressing my concern that if you w= ork outside the standard installation you would break it.

For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his questi= ons, provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s em= ails were interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not= able to answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference.

Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet ano= ther email from Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fix= ed this for him too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and ad= vised him that in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend.
=

So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on= my computer this morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterd= ay to see the usually quiet WebDNA list dominated by Brian continuing to ha= ve issues with his installation.

What does surpris= e me, and leads me to writing this email are comments pointed to myself by = Brian such as:
"TalkList= members say they will help... then they are GONE and suddenly don't ha= s access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone setting you up = to fail...!!!=E2=80=9D

Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from= his Mac server to the Linux environment without any alterations. He believ= es that it was easier to change the configuration of the Linux/Apache serve= r than to use search and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problem= s relate directly to Permissions and the relocation of his server root. I n= ote that Brian has said:=C2=A0
"=C2=A0I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webse= rver files are gonna be an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and ev= erything else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking advice from someone th= at has 23=C2=A0operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make= much sense.

So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would= have been 100% operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to = the /var/www/html=C2=A0directory and had their ownership and preferences ch= ecked, and had=C2=A0simply changed the root=C2=A0locations in your=C2=A0vho= st configuration file simply with a search and replace with your text edito= r. If you listened to the FREE advice that you were given or you could have= even asked me to do it you would have had a fully functional server many d= ays ago.

Now= I would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you have = made about me.
=C2=A0
Kind regards
<= div>
Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA







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2458 --00000000000035241c0593b734fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been in business my whole life and surely value time and $... and for someone to offer to help then throw "FREE" in my face is just more blah blah... I expected you all to clan together against me... u all been doing it for years and that's why I never see anyone new here or they don't stay very long and the reason I was off the list for so long... blah blah... THANK YOU STUART AND YES YOU DONAVAN FOR ALL YOUR FREE ADVISE! On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 8:21 PM Donovan Brooke wrote: > Been there. Good on you for helping that long Stuart. I learned long ago > to steer clear from people who don=E2=80=99t understand the value of a pe= rsons time > / energy. > > D. Brooke Mobile > > On Sep 28, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Stuart Tremain > wrote: > > I have really leaned another one of this life's lessons today. > > As any member of this list will may or may not know I have been an active > member of this list for 20+ years. > > During this time I have learned so much about the use of WebDNA from > people such as Ken Grome, Donovan Brooke, and others that have since move= d > on. > > I have always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times have > gone far and beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed giving back > to the community from which my skills have grown. This I believe is the > reason why I have been contracted by WebDNA users from around the world. > > I have seen many users over the years with configuration problems, in > particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason why I > wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fres= h > installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an image = of > the same available to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that > WebDNA would become a quick easy solution for members of this list to > implement. > > I had a number of people request a copy of this image, none of whom have > taken up the offer. One user requested that I build an image that anyone > could use on any platform. However this is not possible for cloud servers > as each cloud provider has their own flavour of Ubuntu tuned to their > hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish will work if you > follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 installation. > > And then along came Brian Harrington. > > I must preface this with the fact that everything that i have done for > Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good will that I extend to al= l > members of this list. > > Brian was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I > offered to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less than = a > minute later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, > Brian had some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not receive= d > the image that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things > easier and so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply comple= ted the > installation from the instructions that I had published. > > Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ubuntu 18.0= 4 > server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server that was onl= y > requiring a license number. > > As you will know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is > also installed on the Droplet. > > What happened next is purely comical, if I published the emails that I > received and you read the warnings that I provided, plus the repeated > advice that I gave, you would see exactly where Brian=E2=80=99s problems= are. > > From here all Brian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/html > and set up his Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional > with all the standard file extensions that are installed with the WebDNA > installer. > > As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, one on 80 the other on > 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that he could have a > working reference. > > However Brian had other plans, he wanted to create a new directory > /Library/Websites to be the root directory of his webserver, remember thi= s > is the same person that has had no experience with a Linux server, he has > had experience with a Mac server so I believed that he had a good sense o= f > being able to manage a Linux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use the= installed > Webmin, he wanted to do all Apache configuration by uploading files with > FTP however he didn=E2=80=99t have a FTP client. > > Brian, you may remember the Skype message that I sent you expressing my > concern that if you work outside the standard installation you would brea= k > it. > > For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his questions, > provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s email= s were > interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not able to > answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference. > > Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet another email from > Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fixed this for hi= m > too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and advised him that > in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend. > > So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on my computer this > morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterday to see the us= ually quiet WebDNA > list dominated by Brian continuing to have issues with his installation. > > What does surprise me, and leads me to writing this email are comments > pointed to myself by Brian such as: > "*TalkList members say they will help... then they are GONE and suddenly > don't has access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone setti= ng > you up to fail...!!!*=E2=80=9D > > Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from his Mac server to th= e > Linux environment without any alterations. He believes that it was easier > to change the configuration of the Linux/Apache server than to use search > and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problems relate directly t= o > Permissions and the relocation of his server root. I note that Brian has > said: > " *I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webserver files are gonna be > an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and everything else.*=E2=80= =9D, I > guess to Brian taking advice from someone that has 23 operational Ubuntu > 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense. > > So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would have been 100% > operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to the > /var/www/html directory and had their ownership and preferences checked, > and had simply changed the root locations in your vhost configuration fil= e > simply with a search and replace with your text editor. If you listened t= o > the FREE advice that you were given or you could have even asked me to do > it you would have had a fully functional server many days ago. > > Now I would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you > have made about me. > > Kind regards > > Stuart Tremain > Pharoah Lane Software > AUSTRALIA > webdna@plsoftware.com.au > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- This message is > sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: > http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.u= s > > --------------------------------------------------------- This message is > sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: > http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.u= s --=20 Brian Harrington Auto Glass Xpress 2655 Millersport Hwy. Suite 1063 Getzville, NY 14068 (716) 861-2029 www.Auto-Glass-Xpress.com --00000000000035241c0593b734fc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been in business my whole life and surely value t= ime and $... and for someone to offer to help then throw "FREE" i= n my face is just more blah blah... I expected you all to clan together aga= inst me... u all been doing it for years and that's why I never see any= one new here or they don't stay very long and the reason I was off the = list for so long... blah blah... THANK YOU STUART AND YES YOU DONAVAN FOR A= LL YOUR FREE ADVISE!


On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 8:21 PM Donovan = Brooke <dbrooke@euca.us> wrote= :
Been there. Good on you for helping that long Stuart. I learned long ag= o to steer clear from people who don=E2=80=99t understand the value of a pe= rsons time / energy.=C2=A0

D. Brooke Mobile

On = Sep 28, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Stuart Tremain <webdna@plsoftware.com.au> wrote:
=
I have really leaned a= nother one of this life's lessons today.

As any memb= er of this list will may or may not know I have been an active member of th= is list for 20+ years.

During this time I have lea= rned so much about the use of WebDNA from people such as Ken Grome, Donovan= Brooke, and others that have since moved on.

I ha= ve always tried hard to return the favour and as such at times have gone fa= r and beyond the task of offering help. I have enjoyed giving back to the c= ommunity from which my skills have grown. This I believe is the reason why = I have been contracted by WebDNA users from around the world.
I have seen many users over the years with configuration proble= ms, in particular the last few weeks with Ubuntu 18.04, hence the reason wh= y I wrote the instructions a week or so ago on how to set up WebDNA on a fr= esh installation of Ubuntu 18.04 - I even went as far as to provide an imag= e of the same available to anyone that would like it, all in the hope that = WebDNA would become a quick easy solution for members of this list to imple= ment.

I had a number of people request a copy of t= his image, none of whom have taken up the offer. One user requested that I = build an image that anyone could use on any platform. However this is not p= ossible for cloud servers as each cloud provider has their own flavour of U= buntu tuned to their hosting configuration. The instructions that I publish= will work if you follow the steps on any host and/or new Ubuntu 18.0 insta= llation.

And then along came Brian Harrington.=C2= =A0

I must preface this with the fact that everyth= ing that i have done for Brian was at no charge, purely a gesture of good w= ill that I extend to all members of this list.

Bri= an was unable to log into the Ubuntu 18.04 Droplet that he created. I offer= ed to meet him on Skype to help him get past his hurdle - less than a minut= e later I had connected to the Droplet (a virtual server) using ssh, Brian = had some confusion as to how that was achieved, and had not received the im= age that I had shared with him from DigitalOcean. So to make things easier = and so that he didn=E2=80=99t have to go backwards I simply completed the i= nstallation from the instructions=C2=A0that I had published.

=
Less than 20 minutes later Brian was the owner of a shiny new Ub= untu 18.04 server complete with a working installation of WebDNA server tha= t was only requiring a license number.

As you will= know, if you have read the published instructions, Webmin is also installe= d on the Droplet.

What happened next is purely com= ical, if I published the emails that I received and you read the warnings t= hat I provided, plus the repeated advice that I gave, =C2=A0you would see e= xactly where Brian=E2=80=99s problems are.

From he= re all Brian needed to do was upload his websites to /var/www/html and set = up his Virtual hosts - at this stage WebDNA was 100% functional with all th= e standard file extensions that are installed with the WebDNA installer.

As an additional task I set up two Virtual Hosts, on= e on 80 the other on 443 with the ssl certificate that he supplied so that = he could have a working reference.

However Brian h= ad other plans, he wanted to create a new directory /Library/Websites to be= the root directory of his webserver, remember this is the same person that= has had no experience with a Linux server, he has had experience with a Ma= c server so I believed that he had a good sense of being able to manage a L= inux Server. Brian didn=E2=80=99t want to use the installed Webmin, he want= ed to do all Apache configuration by uploading files with FTP however he di= dn=E2=80=99t have a FTP client.

Brian, you may rem= ember the Skype message that I sent you expressing my concern that if you w= ork outside the standard installation you would break it.

For the rest of the week I continued to help him, answer his questi= ons, provide advice. All the time doing my own work that Brian=E2=80=99s em= ails were interrupting. As I live in Sydney there were times that I was not= able to answer him immediately due to the 10 hour time difference.

Then on Friday afternoon (Sydney time) I received yet ano= ther email from Brian - he had locked himself out of his server, yes, I fix= ed this for him too, repaired his non-root user with sudo privileges and ad= vised him that in 19 minutes time I would be leaving for the weekend.
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So it is now Sunday morning in Sydney, I have turned on= my computer this morning after have a =E2=80=98family=E2=80=99 day yesterd= ay to see the usually quiet WebDNA list dominated by Brian continuing to ha= ve issues with his installation.

What does surpris= e me, and leads me to writing this email are comments pointed to myself by = Brian such as:
"TalkList= members say they will help... then they are GONE and suddenly don't ha= s access to email or skype???!!! Nothing worse than someone setting you up = to fail...!!!=E2=80=9D

Brian had a very large VHost file that he moved from= his Mac server to the Linux environment without any alterations. He believ= es that it was easier to change the configuration of the Linux/Apache serve= r than to use search and replace on his VHost file. Brian=E2=80=99s problem= s relate directly to Permissions and the relocation of his server root. I n= ote that Brian has said:=C2=A0
"=C2=A0I have no idea why Stuart thinks /Library/Webse= rver files are gonna be an issue when apache2.conf list share folder and ev= erything else.=E2=80=9D, I guess to Brian taking advice from someone th= at has 23=C2=A0operational Ubuntu 18.04 servers really doesn=E2=80=99t make= much sense.

So Brian, if you had followed my advice, you would= have been 100% operational as soon as all your files had been uploaded to = the /var/www/html=C2=A0directory and had their ownership and preferences ch= ecked, and had=C2=A0simply changed the root=C2=A0locations in your=C2=A0vho= st configuration file simply with a search and replace with your text edito= r. If you listened to the FREE advice that you were given or you could have= even asked me to do it you would have had a fully functional server many d= ays ago.

Now= I would like to see a retraction of the ill placed comments that you have = made about me.
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Kind regards
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Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA







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