Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites

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2003


It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 48118
interpreted = N
texte = > >>>Because it's not a complete solution, so it's not good enough for my >sites. >>>> >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Kenneth Grome > >Are there potential problems with using cookies? If so, what are they? >I normally carry the cart value in the URL, so I'm curious to know more... >As long as the cart number is available to the server when needed, WC doesn't care how it's stored or carried. The WC code on the server will do its job just fine. The solution is 100% complete.The only problem is that the visitor might have disabled cookies in his browser. If so, a message indicating that cookies must be enabled for certain functions, such as a shopping cart, to work.Carrying the cart number in a query string is ok for some uses, but the SE's simply do not rank them highly, if at all. Go do a search and see how many sites on the first 3 pages of results have query strings. (After the 3rd page, it really doesn't matter too much. Few people look that deeply into the results.)Until recently, no SE would spider dynamic site (identified by query strings in the urls's) because they worried about getting caught in an infinite loop or following a never-ending calendar or such. The major SE's now spider such sites, but how well each one does is up to its programmers.Each time the FAST spider crawled one of my sites that carried the cart number in the url, it saw the new characters in the url and assumed that every page was new since it's last visit and spidered them all again. That put 2-3 entries in its db for each page. Not good. The anti-spam algorithm then thought I was spamming the spider and my listings dropped considerably. I changed to using cookies before Google spidered the same site, so I didn't get penalized for spamming it and the pages consistently appear on the first or second page of search results for the keywords. I also get spidered by some pay-for-inclusion and pay-per-click spiders and I pay them nothing at all.If the SE list a page with a cart number, every time someone finds that page in an SE, they will tell WC to use that cart unless you include code to check for used cart numbers. The same problem will occur with pages that are bookmarked.If high rankings in the SE's are no concern and the site is primarily used as an intranet or extranet, then carrying the cart number in a url will have no effect at all on how well it does its job.WC isn't the only thing that uses query strings. Go to http://www.webmasterworld.com and search for questions about how others handle them in non-WC sites.Glenn------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
  1. Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Glenn Busbin 2003)
  2. Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Michael Davis 2003)
  3. Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Kimberly D. Walls 2003)
  4. Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Kenneth Grome 2003)
  5. Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Glenn Busbin 2003)
  6. Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Kenneth Grome 2003)
  7. Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Glenn Busbin 2003)
  8. Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Kenneth Grome 2003)
  9. Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Alain Russell 2003)
  10. Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Kimberly D. Walls 2003)
  11. Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Donovan 2003)
  12. Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Donovan 2003)
  13. Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Jeff Logan 2003)
  14. Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Jay Van Vark 2003)
  15. Re: [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Glenn Busbin 2003)
  16. [OT] Indexing of dynamic web sites (Stuart Tremain 2003)
> >>>Because it's not a complete solution, so it's not good enough for my >sites. >>>> >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Kenneth Grome > >Are there potential problems with using cookies? If so, what are they? >I normally carry the cart value in the URL, so I'm curious to know more... >As long as the cart number is available to the server when needed, WC doesn't care how it's stored or carried. The WC code on the server will do its job just fine. The solution is 100% complete.The only problem is that the visitor might have disabled cookies in his browser. If so, a message indicating that cookies must be enabled for certain functions, such as a shopping cart, to work.Carrying the cart number in a query string is ok for some uses, but the SE's simply do not rank them highly, if at all. Go do a search and see how many sites on the first 3 pages of results have query strings. (After the 3rd page, it really doesn't matter too much. Few people look that deeply into the results.)Until recently, no SE would spider dynamic site (identified by query strings in the urls's) because they worried about getting caught in an infinite loop or following a never-ending calendar or such. The major SE's now spider such sites, but how well each one does is up to its programmers.Each time the FAST spider crawled one of my sites that carried the cart number in the url, it saw the new characters in the url and assumed that every page was new since it's last visit and spidered them all again. That put 2-3 entries in its db for each page. Not good. The anti-spam algorithm then thought I was spamming the spider and my listings dropped considerably. I changed to using cookies before Google spidered the same site, so I didn't get penalized for spamming it and the pages consistently appear on the first or second page of search results for the keywords. I also get spidered by some pay-for-inclusion and pay-per-click spiders and I pay them nothing at all.If the SE list a page with a cart number, every time someone finds that page in an SE, they will tell WC to use that cart unless you include code to check for used cart numbers. The same problem will occur with pages that are bookmarked.If high rankings in the SE's are no concern and the site is primarily used as an intranet or extranet, then carrying the cart number in a url will have no effect at all on how well it does its job.WC isn't the only thing that uses query strings. Go to http://www.webmasterworld.com and search for questions about how others handle them in non-WC sites.Glenn------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Glenn Busbin

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