Re: WebDNA for Dummies
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2004
It keeps the original formatting.
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interpreted = N
texte = Digger did not fail for me. I get good use from it and have contributed to its source. I noticed that Ken recently requested a copy for his review too. It's got to be working for others. If you have comments, I'm sure Palle would like to hear them. Community efforts require some basic infrastructure (such as this Talk List which is very active) and patience. If you expect a commercial development schedule, then it will not meet that expectation. Frankly, the pool of WebDNA knowledge has been growing and it can continue to do so with minimal effort. The tools I suggested, which I would expect SM to jump on creating, would let people EASILY add value to the collective knowledge. This would be much like we do on the Talk List but slightly more structured and moderated. The Talk List has a low signal to noise ratio. In any event, sit back and see what happens. It costs you nothing and might even help...one day. Bill >> Relax, I'm sure you won't have to contribute a moment of thought to >> any effort you feel unworthy. >> >> Thank you for your kind contribution and encouraging input. > > > Mark, I see this same kind of "pie in the sky" dream talk every few > months on this list. The last time it was about developing a > database tool called "digger" which failed of course, just like all > the other dreams about a successful volunteer effort to make better > resources for the webdna community. > > Maybe it's time for everyone to wake up and realize that nothing is > ever going to be finished or maintained (and both are necessary) > unless someone does it as a PAID JOB. And that brings up the > question of who is going to pay for it? Certainly not SMSI from what > I have seen. > > Everyone has all these great ideas but no one actually starts and > actually finishes the work. Some of you start, but as soon as you > get a paid programming job (or some other real job) you drop your > efforts to finish what you started for the webdna community, then it > becomes just one more failed effort that we can all look back on and > say "Gee, if only he had finished it ..." > > :( > > Volunteer efforts will never work in this too-small community of > webdna programmers, that's my personal belief. Sorry if this hurts > people's feelings but that's just what I believe, based on everything > I have seen during the past 8 years. Therefore, until at least ONE > of these efforts is completed and functional, I will continue to > believe it. > > You all can keep dreaming of a successful volunteer effort if you > want, but those of you who sit there and post all these great ideas > might want to think about actually WORKING on just one of them for a > few hours every day, without any excuses about having other more > important things to do with your free time ... and then we will see > just how long you actually contribute a couple hours each day before > deciding that it's just not worth it to you personally. I can > guarantee you that something will happen to draw your attention away > from this effort, and you will never go back and finish it. > > By the way Mark, I have previously contributed a minimum of 2-3 > hours a day (sometimes twice that much) virtually every day for the > first two or three years this talk list existed, in an effort to find > and post the proper answer to every question someone posted to the > list. This was all totally free support from me to anyone and > everyone who asked a question on the list during that period of time. > To me this seems like a substantial contribution to the effort to > improve webdna resources, and as such I feel that I have done more > than my share. > > So even though you don't like the fact that I said "it all depends > upon your perspective" whether or not an effort like this is > worthwhile, I in fact *do* believe it is worthwhile. My contribution > of thousands of hours of tech support on the list is still available > to anyone who cares to use it. > > And for those of you who have yet to do anything but suggest ideas, I > think it's time that you sit down and do something USEFUL on one of > these "webdna dream projects" instead of just talking about how great > it would be if "we" or if "someone" (read SOMEONE ELSE) puts it all > together ... > > Everyone has great ideas, and great excuses for not doing it themselves. ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list
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Digger did not fail for me. I get good use from it and have contributed to its source. I noticed that Ken recently requested a copy for his review too. It's got to be working for others. If you have comments, I'm sure Palle would like to hear them. Community efforts require some basic infrastructure (such as this Talk List which is very active) and patience. If you expect a commercial development schedule, then it will not meet that expectation. Frankly, the pool of WebDNA knowledge has been growing and it can continue to do so with minimal effort. The tools I suggested, which I would expect SM to jump on creating, would let people EASILY add value to the collective knowledge. This would be much like we do on the Talk List but slightly more structured and moderated. The Talk List has a low signal to noise ratio. In any event, sit back and see what happens. It costs you nothing and might even help...one day. Bill >> Relax, I'm sure you won't have to contribute a moment of thought to >> any effort you feel unworthy. >> >> Thank you for your kind contribution and encouraging input. > > > Mark, I see this same kind of "pie in the sky" dream talk every few > months on this list. The last time it was about developing a > database tool called "digger" which failed of course, just like all > the other dreams about a successful volunteer effort to make better > resources for the webdna community. > > Maybe it's time for everyone to wake up and realize that nothing is > ever going to be finished or maintained (and both are necessary) > unless someone does it as a PAID JOB. And that brings up the > question of who is going to pay for it? Certainly not SMSI from what > I have seen. > > Everyone has all these great ideas but no one actually starts and > actually finishes the work. Some of you start, but as soon as you > get a paid programming job (or some other real job) you drop your > efforts to finish what you started for the webdna community, then it > becomes just one more failed effort that we can all look back on and > say "Gee, if only he had finished it ..." > > :( > > Volunteer efforts will never work in this too-small community of > webdna programmers, that's my personal belief. Sorry if this hurts > people's feelings but that's just what I believe, based on everything > I have seen during the past 8 years. Therefore, until at least ONE > of these efforts is completed and functional, I will continue to > believe it. > > You all can keep dreaming of a successful volunteer effort if you > want, but those of you who sit there and post all these great ideas > might want to think about actually WORKING on just one of them for a > few hours every day, without any excuses about having other more > important things to do with your free time ... and then we will see > just how long you actually contribute a couple hours each day before > deciding that it's just not worth it to you personally. I can > guarantee you that something will happen to draw your attention away > from this effort, and you will never go back and finish it. > > By the way Mark, I have previously contributed a minimum of 2-3 > hours a day (sometimes twice that much) virtually every day for the > first two or three years this Talk List existed, in an effort to find > and post the proper answer to every question someone posted to the > list. This was all totally free support from me to anyone and > everyone who asked a question on the list during that period of time. > To me this seems like a substantial contribution to the effort to > improve webdna resources, and as such I feel that I have done more > than my share. > > So even though you don't like the fact that I said "it all depends > upon your perspective" whether or not an effort like this is > worthwhile, I in fact *do* believe it is worthwhile. My contribution > of thousands of hours of tech support on the list is still available > to anyone who cares to use it. > > And for those of you who have yet to do anything but suggest ideas, I > think it's time that you sit down and do something USEFUL on one of > these "webdna dream projects" instead of just talking about how great > it would be if "we" or if "someone" (read SOMEONE ELSE) puts it all > together ... > > Everyone has great ideas, and great excuses for not doing it themselves. ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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