Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(
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texte = Having spent most of my career in marketing (which is why my code is so lame:) I can see a couple of basic problems in the way SMSI markets theirproduct.- Too many variations. I've used this stuff since 3.x and I still can'tfigure out all the various packages. Marc's right - cut it down to twopackages that are super easy to understand.- Price. To borrow a page from Microsoft, success is found in when yourproduct becomes the standard: critical mass. Critical mass will never beachieved at these prices. The product needs to be cheap and marketed withan objective of high volume, not high margin. This is a very riskystrategy and I can't see SMSI doing it. But, when you look at PHP, whichIMHO is the standard and has the critical mass, how can you argue?That said, with market conditions what they are, I don't think SMSI has manyoptions other than what they're doing already. I think dna's fate is thatof a fringe player.Too bad, though. For marketing guys like me who need to write some scriptsit's by far the best product available.> From: "Kaiwi, Marc"
> Reply-To: "WebDNA Talk" > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 08:43:50 -0800> To: "WebDNA Talk" > Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(> > Personally I think the approach should be to plan for the long term (or)> future growth of the WebDNA "language" by creating two separate products> entirely. A (low cost, even free version) fully functioning WebDNA engine to> support, develop and distribute the "language" itself (bait) and a separate> commerce package for developing commercial products or solutions and> supporting the development, (hook).> > Sounds silly I know, but I don't see any other options for sustaining the> language in the long run. Seems to be the current trend toward developing> solutions around widely distributed and available solutions (like PHP/MySQL,> for example) are gaining in popularity.> > hahaha ... but then again, I'm the guy who's still waiting for Apple to> dominate the PC market?!? : c)> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of> Timur Ruban> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:30 AM> To: WebDNA Talk> Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(> > > Personally, I think it's a positioning issue that SmithMicro needs to> address (and maybe hire a true Branding/Marketing guru). Is this a> middleware? An in-memory database? A development platform? An application> with scripting capabilities? I am sure that all of you, as I am, have to> deal daily with this when offering clients solutions on the platform -> resellers/developers' efforts are not enough though to get the product on> the industry lists...> > But then again - why are you worried? Less competition for you to take over> the client or hack the product once everything is developed :)) Everything> in this world has its pros and cons.> > Cheers,> Tim> > > Timur Ruban> Executive VP> FRONTEX> 705 North Mountain Road> Newington, CT 06111> 1-888-FRONTEX x701> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Gary Krockover > To: "WebDNA Talk" > Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 08:31:57 -0600> Subject: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(> >> First, I looked for it here:>> http://www.levenez.com/lang/history.html>> >> which led to this more comprehensive list here:>> http://people.ku.edu/~nkinners/LangList/Extras/langlist.htm>> >> How long until I can buy the book and find WebDNA on the list of>> computer >> languages?>> >> :(>> >> Happy Monday all!>> GK>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to>> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/> > -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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Having spent most of my career in marketing (which is why my code is so lame:) I can see a couple of basic problems in the way SMSI markets theirproduct.- Too many variations. I've used this stuff since 3.x and I still can'tfigure out all the various packages. Marc's right - cut it down to twopackages that are super easy to understand.- Price. To borrow a page from Microsoft, success is found in when yourproduct becomes the standard: critical mass. Critical mass will never beachieved at these prices. The product needs to be cheap and marketed withan objective of high volume, not high margin. This is a very riskystrategy and I can't see SMSI doing it. But, when you look at PHP, whichIMHO is the standard and has the critical mass, how can you argue?That said, with market conditions what they are, I don't think SMSI has manyoptions other than what they're doing already. I think dna's fate is thatof a fringe player.Too bad, though. For marketing guys like me who need to write some scriptsit's by far the best product available.> From: "Kaiwi, Marc" > Reply-To: "WebDNA Talk" > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 08:43:50 -0800> To: "WebDNA Talk" > Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(> > Personally I think the approach should be to plan for the long term (or)> future growth of the WebDNA "language" by creating two separate products> entirely. A (low cost, even free version) fully functioning WebDNA engine to> support, develop and distribute the "language" itself (bait) and a separate> commerce package for developing commercial products or solutions and> supporting the development, (hook).> > Sounds silly I know, but I don't see any other options for sustaining the> language in the long run. Seems to be the current trend toward developing> solutions around widely distributed and available solutions (like PHP/MySQL,> for example) are gaining in popularity.> > hahaha ... but then again, I'm the guy who's still waiting for Apple to> dominate the PC market?!? : c)> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of> Timur Ruban> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:30 AM> To: WebDNA Talk> Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(> > > Personally, I think it's a positioning issue that SmithMicro needs to> address (and maybe hire a true Branding/Marketing guru). Is this a> middleware? An in-memory database? A development platform? An application> with scripting capabilities? I am sure that all of you, as I am, have to> deal daily with this when offering clients solutions on the platform -> resellers/developers' efforts are not enough though to get the product on> the industry lists...> > But then again - why are you worried? Less competition for you to take over> the client or hack the product once everything is developed :)) Everything> in this world has its pros and cons.> > Cheers,> Tim> > > Timur Ruban> Executive VP> FRONTEX> 705 North Mountain Road> Newington, CT 06111> 1-888-FRONTEX x701> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Gary Krockover > To: "WebDNA Talk" > Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 08:31:57 -0600> Subject: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(> >> First, I looked for it here:>> http://www.levenez.com/lang/history.html>> >> which led to this more comprehensive list here:>> http://people.ku.edu/~nkinners/LangList/Extras/langlist.htm>> >> How long until I can buy the book and find WebDNA on the list of>> computer >> languages?>> >> :(>> >> Happy Monday all!>> GK>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to>> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/> > -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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