Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(

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2004

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texte = got some examples of some of the work the 'programming powerhouse' has done ?On 07/12/2004, at 1:02 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote:>> I too was bitten by the "we're going with PHP as a solution" just >> last week from a prospective client.>>> Did you do the PHP job then, or did you lose it to your competition?>> If you had told them that you also do PHP and MySQL, we could have > done the programming work for about 1/3 of your client price quote, > which means you would have earned 2/3 of the total for doing nothing > more than selling the job and delivering it to your client.>> My point is simply that you do not have to be "beaten" by the > competition when you have your own professional outsourcing company > working for you right here in Cebu City, Philippines.>> I set up this outsourcing business to make a living over here of > course, but also to try to help and support my WebDNA colleagues who > will continue to come under greater and greater pressure from cheap > overseas programmers. My goal is to help insure that you remain > competitive with all the OTHER programming companies using outsourcing > these days ...>> About three years ago I created a WebDNA Training Center here in Cebu > City so I would have plenty of developers thoroughly trained in WebDNA > for the time when it became popular. It never has, and it never will > if SMSI continues on their current path. Almost everyone wants > PHP/MySQL today because both are free and both are installed on > virtually every hosting server in the world. Clients want non > Microsoft solutions that are cheap, and that work, and that are > available everywhere. PHP and MySQL give them this. And the > Microsoft lovers want ASP which we also do for them.>> My local local programmers do not have to be trained in PHP or MySQL > (or ASP) because they already know it from college. But I have to > teach them WebDNA (or my head programmer has to teach them because > he's a relative expert in it by now too) before they can be useful. > They like WebDNA, but since so few of our work asks for it, we use > WebDNA mostly in-house.>> I don't think WebDNA will ever become mainstream because there is no > desire or motivation on the part of SMSI to give away a useful version > that's free, yet this is exactly what their competition is doing. PHP > and MySQL is coming to dominate all other web-based languages and more > and more of the programming is moving offshore.>> If you cannot beat them, join them -- that's what I say!>> Sincerely,> Kenneth Grome> www.webdna.net>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/>-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

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Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( Matthew A Perosi 2004)
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got some examples of some of the work the 'programming powerhouse' has done ?On 07/12/2004, at 1:02 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote:>> I too was bitten by the "we're going with PHP as a solution" just >> last week from a prospective client.>>> Did you do the PHP job then, or did you lose it to your competition?>> If you had told them that you also do PHP and MySQL, we could have > done the programming work for about 1/3 of your client price quote, > which means you would have earned 2/3 of the total for doing nothing > more than selling the job and delivering it to your client.>> My point is simply that you do not have to be "beaten" by the > competition when you have your own professional outsourcing company > working for you right here in Cebu City, Philippines.>> I set up this outsourcing business to make a living over here of > course, but also to try to help and support my WebDNA colleagues who > will continue to come under greater and greater pressure from cheap > overseas programmers. My goal is to help insure that you remain > competitive with all the OTHER programming companies using outsourcing > these days ...>> About three years ago I created a WebDNA Training Center here in Cebu > City so I would have plenty of developers thoroughly trained in WebDNA > for the time when it became popular. It never has, and it never will > if SMSI continues on their current path. Almost everyone wants > PHP/MySQL today because both are free and both are installed on > virtually every hosting server in the world. Clients want non > Microsoft solutions that are cheap, and that work, and that are > available everywhere. PHP and MySQL give them this. And the > Microsoft lovers want ASP which we also do for them.>> My local local programmers do not have to be trained in PHP or MySQL > (or ASP) because they already know it from college. But I have to > teach them WebDNA (or my head programmer has to teach them because > he's a relative expert in it by now too) before they can be useful. > They like WebDNA, but since so few of our work asks for it, we use > WebDNA mostly in-house.>> I don't think WebDNA will ever become mainstream because there is no > desire or motivation on the part of SMSI to give away a useful version > that's free, yet this is exactly what their competition is doing. PHP > and MySQL is coming to dominate all other web-based languages and more > and more of the programming is moving offshore.>> If you cannot beat them, join them -- that's what I say!>> Sincerely,> Kenneth Grome> www.webdna.net>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/>-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Alain Russell

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