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texte = > Don't worry, I don't have time to learn PHP. If I was to go down that > track, I would hire developers and sit at the top of the heap and > whip them until the work was completed :) That's exactly the service I have been offering you and everyone else for the past few years. I have been willing to manage my $10 an hour programmer employees for you for free, and all you ever had to do is "sit at the top of the heap" and bark your orders to me so I could pass those instructions on to my programmers. They would do all the programming work for you ... Then you would have so much free time that you'd be able to go out and get even more programming jobs for us to work on the same way. Or go fishing if you didn't want to bother expanding the business ... :) But I guess things have really been going too good for you and everyone else for the past few years ... and I know that when things are going well for people, they simply refuse to change their approach, because they are too "comfortable" with the way things are at that time. > I would love to be able to place a wanted ad and have a selection of > developers that are competent in WebDNA - sure would take a load off > my shoulders, I may even get to go fishing ! I think the real problem here is that you want to stick with webdna but you're not willing to hire anyone unless he/she works in your office. That's what I meant about your "comfort zone". Yours is having employees work where you can see and deal with them directly. Nothing wrong with that! Of course with a virtually unknown language like webdna, it would seem that you might try being a bit more flexible ... and hire already-trained experts to work remotely -- assuming you actually expect to avoid training them yourself of course. Years ago I had personally trained several very good webdna programmers here in the Philippines. They were SO ANXIOUS for me to "use my contacts" to get them some real webdna programming work instead of only doing the in-house jobs I kept them busy with for a few months. But none of you found this offer valuable enough to bother with back then., so after they finished all my in-house projects and I still didn't have any webdna jobs for them, they all quit to go work for a company that had tons of PHP jobs ready and waiting for them. Back then, I even went so far as to explain that if only ONE of you guys would quit your personal webdna programming efforts, and use all your new found free time to go out and get jobs that my programmers would do for you, we would both have earned a million dollars or more by this time. Dan Strong said he would do this, but he changed his mind as soon as he got re-established in his new location in Idaho. But that's okay, I really didn't expect anything different because now I understand "The Nature of WebDNA Programmers", and it is this: Webdna programmers are a unique breed, and they are nearly always heel-bent on doing all their own programming work, rather than farming it out, no matter how cheaply they can get someone else to do it for them. Too bad I didn't recognize this years ago, I could have saved myself lots of hassles and frustration (and time and money). Oh well, live and learn I guess ... :) It's a shame when I think of it (so I try not to think of it very often) but the only thing that has ever stopped me from hiring 50 or 100 or 500 programmers over here, and making millions of dollars a year in this busiess, is the fact that I cannot get new programming jobs myself because I live in the wrong location to get those new jobs ... But I certainly live in the ideal location to do the programming work for 1/4 of the rates you're paying your local programmers. Which means that all I have ever really needed is a partner/salesman in the USA or in Australia or wherever, to get as many new programming jobs as possible, via personal contact and by "schmoozing with the clients" so to speak. And then we would be very successful by working together in this business, regardless of whether we are using webdna or php or some other language. But even though you guys all live right there where you're constantly able to get new programming jobs, you love the programming so much that you simply will not do the sales work for me. Heh ... Don't worry, I "get it" now. Took me long enough to figure this out though! :) Sometimes it takes a real effort to force yourself to get out of your "comfort zone" before you can improve your business and its potential for future success. Ahhh ... but yes, I know how hard it is to get up and get yourself out of that comfort zone. I did it more than 5 years ago ... I went halfway around the world to live in a sometimes miserable piss-poor country in my effort to support myself, this software, and you guys -- by focusing on WebDNA as the tool that would make my fortune. But it never really worked the way I had hoped, so now I guess this is the end of it ... :( Sincerely, Kenneth Grome owner@kengrome.com kengrome@gmail.com www.kengrome.com ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list
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> Don't worry, I don't have time to learn PHP. If I was to go down that > track, I would hire developers and sit at the top of the heap and > whip them until the work was completed :) That's exactly the service I have been offering you and everyone else for the past few years. I have been willing to manage my $10 an hour programmer employees for you for free, and all you ever had to do is "sit at the top of the heap" and bark your orders to me so I could pass those instructions on to my programmers. They would do all the programming work for you ... Then you would have so much free time that you'd be able to go out and get even more programming jobs for us to work on the same way. Or go fishing if you didn't want to bother expanding the business ... :) But I guess things have really been going too good for you and everyone else for the past few years ... and I know that when things are going well for people, they simply refuse to change their approach, because they are too "comfortable" with the way things are at that time. > I would love to be able to place a wanted ad and have a selection of > developers that are competent in WebDNA - sure would take a load off > my shoulders, I may even get to go fishing ! I think the real problem here is that you want to stick with webdna but you're not willing to hire anyone unless he/she works in your office. That's what I meant about your "comfort zone". Yours is having employees work where you can see and deal with them directly. Nothing wrong with that! Of course with a virtually unknown language like webdna, it would seem that you might try being a bit more flexible ... and hire already-trained experts to work remotely -- assuming you actually expect to avoid training them yourself of course. Years ago I had personally trained several very good webdna programmers here in the Philippines. They were SO ANXIOUS for me to "use my contacts" to get them some real webdna programming work instead of only doing the in-house jobs I kept them busy with for a few months. But none of you found this offer valuable enough to bother with back then., so after they finished all my in-house projects and I still didn't have any webdna jobs for them, they all quit to go work for a company that had tons of PHP jobs ready and waiting for them. Back then, I even went so far as to explain that if only ONE of you guys would quit your personal webdna programming efforts, and use all your new found free time to go out and get jobs that my programmers would do for you, we would both have earned a million dollars or more by this time. Dan Strong said he would do this, but he changed his mind as soon as he got re-established in his new location in Idaho. But that's okay, I really didn't expect anything different because now I understand "The Nature of WebDNA Programmers", and it is this: Webdna programmers are a unique breed, and they are nearly always heel-bent on doing all their own programming work, rather than farming it out, no matter how cheaply they can get someone else to do it for them. Too bad I didn't recognize this years ago, I could have saved myself lots of hassles and frustration (and time and money). Oh well, live and learn I guess ... :) It's a shame when I think of it (so I try not to think of it very often) but the only thing that has ever stopped me from hiring 50 or 100 or 500 programmers over here, and making millions of dollars a year in this busiess, is the fact that I cannot get new programming jobs myself because I live in the wrong location to get those new jobs ... But I certainly live in the ideal location to do the programming work for 1/4 of the rates you're paying your local programmers. Which means that all I have ever really needed is a partner/salesman in the USA or in Australia or wherever, to get as many new programming jobs as possible, via personal contact and by "schmoozing with the clients" so to speak. And then we would be very successful by working together in this business, regardless of whether we are using webdna or php or some other language. But even though you guys all live right there where you're constantly able to get new programming jobs, you love the programming so much that you simply will not do the sales work for me. Heh ... Don't worry, I "get it" now. Took me long enough to figure this out though! :) Sometimes it takes a real effort to force yourself to get out of your "comfort zone" before you can improve your business and its potential for future success. Ahhh ... but yes, I know how hard it is to get up and get yourself out of that comfort zone. I did it more than 5 years ago ... I went halfway around the world to live in a sometimes miserable piss-poor country in my effort to support myself, this software, and you guys -- by focusing on WebDNA as the tool that would make my fortune. But it never really worked the way I had hoped, so now I guess this is the end of it ... :( Sincerely, Kenneth Grome owner@kengrome.com kengrome@gmail.com www.kengrome.com ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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