Re: [WebDNA] Internal [ipaddress] ?

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2009


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texte = --Apple-Mail-11-306309527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow. Something is said worked! Cheers. Pat On Mar 30, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Dan Strong wrote: > Pat you are exactly right (but you knew that) :) I just got it > resolved and was coming back to the list to post resolution. As you > pointed out, the webserver is separate from the LAN and sees all > internal traffic as a single external-facing, fully-qualified IP. > Just to cover all bases, I went ahead and used the entire external > IP range that we own for detection and it works as expected. Thank > you for your help. > -Dan > > > > > On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:06:25 -0500 > Patrick McCormick wrote: >> Dan, >> You need to either make sure that DHCP is using a fully qualified >> range, within your range of addresses. If you need to use NAT to >> conserve on addresses, then you have to set up the web server and >> DHCP so that all internal machines appear as the same IP (or >> address) to the web server. >> Usually, the web server is outside the company LAN and away from >> the random and unqualified range of internal DHCP-served IP's >> normally used (most people use 192.168.0.xxx or something >> predictable). NAT translates all those internal IPs so they appear >> to be a single, qualified IP to the rest of the internet. Your web >> server should be outside the internal company LAN and IP range and >> should see any internal traffic from any machine internal traffic >> on a single IP. >> I'd make sure that your server is connected to the internet at the >> same level as the router that's serving your DHCP to the internal >> machines. Then figure out what IP address has been assigned to the >> router by the ISP. All internal traffic will appear at your >> webserver on that IP address. >> Pat >> On Mar 30, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Dan Strong wrote: >>> No prob, maybe I wasn't quite as clear as I should have been. I >>> have a site that needs to differentiate between external and >>> internal users, that's all. The site is an "intranet" site that >>> employees are allowed to view from home via a public facing URL, >>> so I have to lock- it down. If access is from within the network, >>> though (like in the Employee Dining Room or from someone's desk), >>> I can assume they are employees, otherwise they wouldn't have >>> been able to log into the corp. network, or gotten into the >>> building to begin with. Since the site is public-facing, IT >>> obviously doesn't want to tie it to the corporate Active >>> Directory stuff, so I am trying to fake unified- login by >>> detecting internal users and simply foregoing log-in. I've >>> identified our public-facing IP range and can do it that way it >>> appears, but I was just wondering if I could identify internal >>> network IPs via WebDNA and if so how. >>> -Dan >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:50:29 +1100 >>> Stuart Tremain wrote: >>>> Dan >>>> I think I misread your question. >>>> You should be able to get the ip address of a machine visiting >>>> an internal site but I am not sure how you would get the ip >>>> address of the server from another machine. >>>> How are the machines on the intranet given their ip addresses, >>>> is there an internal DHCP or are they just keyed into the ip >>>> config ? >>>> If the server has a fixed ip address maybe you could put in a >>>> text var on each page of the site. >>>> Regards >>>> Stuart Tremain >>>> IDFK Web Developments >>>> AUSTRALIA >>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>> On 31/03/2009, at 9:21 AM, Dan Strong wrote: >>>>> Great, then I'll tell WebDNA you said it was ok :).. No really, >>>>> how would I do it then, [ipaddress]? >>>>> Have I tried? Yes. Did I get an internal IP? No. >>>>> -Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:43:51 +1100 >>>>> Stuart Tremain wrote: >>>>>> Can't see why not ... >>>>>> So I will say yes. >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Stuart Tremain >>>>>> IDFK Web Developments >>>>>> AUSTRALIA >>>>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>>>> On 31/03/2009, at 8:23 AM, Dan Strong wrote: >>>>>>> I am pretty sure the answer is no, but wanted to double-check... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For the purposes of an intranet, can I detect the internal IP >>>>>>> of a site or server such as 10.0.0.25 or whatever? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> -Dan >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ --Apple-Mail-11-306309527 Content-Disposition: attachment; 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  1. Re: [WebDNA] Internal [ipaddress] ? (Stuart Tremain 2009)
  2. Re: [WebDNA] Internal [ipaddress] ? (Patrick McCormick 2009)
  3. Re: [WebDNA] Internal [ipaddress] ? ("Dan Strong" 2009)
  4. Re: [WebDNA] Internal [ipaddress] ? (Rob 2009)
  5. Re: [WebDNA] Internal [ipaddress] ? (Patrick McCormick 2009)
  6. Re: [WebDNA] Internal [ipaddress] ? ("Dan Strong" 2009)
  7. Re: [WebDNA] Internal [ipaddress] ? ("Dan Strong" 2009)
  8. Re: [WebDNA] Internal [ipaddress] ? (Stuart Tremain 2009)
  9. Re: [WebDNA] Internal [ipaddress] ? (Donovan Brooke 2009)
  10. Re: [WebDNA] Internal [ipaddress] ? ("Dan Strong" 2009)
  11. Re: [WebDNA] Internal [ipaddress] ? (Stuart Tremain 2009)
  12. [WebDNA] Internal [ipaddress] ? ("Dan Strong" 2009)
--Apple-Mail-11-306309527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow. Something is said worked! Cheers. Pat On Mar 30, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Dan Strong wrote: > Pat you are exactly right (but you knew that) :) I just got it > resolved and was coming back to the list to post resolution. As you > pointed out, the webserver is separate from the LAN and sees all > internal traffic as a single external-facing, fully-qualified IP. > Just to cover all bases, I went ahead and used the entire external > IP range that we own for detection and it works as expected. Thank > you for your help. > -Dan > > > > > On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:06:25 -0500 > Patrick McCormick wrote: >> Dan, >> You need to either make sure that DHCP is using a fully qualified >> range, within your range of addresses. If you need to use NAT to >> conserve on addresses, then you have to set up the web server and >> DHCP so that all internal machines appear as the same IP (or >> address) to the web server. >> Usually, the web server is outside the company LAN and away from >> the random and unqualified range of internal DHCP-served IP's >> normally used (most people use 192.168.0.xxx or something >> predictable). NAT translates all those internal IPs so they appear >> to be a single, qualified IP to the rest of the internet. Your web >> server should be outside the internal company LAN and IP range and >> should see any internal traffic from any machine internal traffic >> on a single IP. >> I'd make sure that your server is connected to the internet at the >> same level as the router that's serving your DHCP to the internal >> machines. Then figure out what IP address has been assigned to the >> router by the ISP. All internal traffic will appear at your >> webserver on that IP address. >> Pat >> On Mar 30, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Dan Strong wrote: >>> No prob, maybe I wasn't quite as clear as I should have been. I >>> have a site that needs to differentiate between external and >>> internal users, that's all. The site is an "intranet" site that >>> employees are allowed to view from home via a public facing URL, >>> so I have to lock- it down. If access is from within the network, >>> though (like in the Employee Dining Room or from someone's desk), >>> I can assume they are employees, otherwise they wouldn't have >>> been able to log into the corp. network, or gotten into the >>> building to begin with. Since the site is public-facing, IT >>> obviously doesn't want to tie it to the corporate Active >>> Directory stuff, so I am trying to fake unified- login by >>> detecting internal users and simply foregoing log-in. I've >>> identified our public-facing IP range and can do it that way it >>> appears, but I was just wondering if I could identify internal >>> network IPs via WebDNA and if so how. >>> -Dan >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:50:29 +1100 >>> Stuart Tremain wrote: >>>> Dan >>>> I think I misread your question. >>>> You should be able to get the ip address of a machine visiting >>>> an internal site but I am not sure how you would get the ip >>>> address of the server from another machine. >>>> How are the machines on the intranet given their ip addresses, >>>> is there an internal DHCP or are they just keyed into the ip >>>> config ? >>>> If the server has a fixed ip address maybe you could put in a >>>> text var on each page of the site. >>>> Regards >>>> Stuart Tremain >>>> IDFK Web Developments >>>> AUSTRALIA >>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>> On 31/03/2009, at 9:21 AM, Dan Strong wrote: >>>>> Great, then I'll tell WebDNA you said it was ok :).. No really, >>>>> how would I do it then, [ipaddress]? >>>>> Have I tried? Yes. Did I get an internal IP? No. >>>>> -Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:43:51 +1100 >>>>> Stuart Tremain wrote: >>>>>> Can't see why not ... >>>>>> So I will say yes. >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Stuart Tremain >>>>>> IDFK Web Developments >>>>>> AUSTRALIA >>>>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>>>> On 31/03/2009, at 8:23 AM, Dan Strong wrote: >>>>>>> I am pretty sure the answer is no, but wanted to double-check... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For the purposes of an intranet, can I detect the internal IP >>>>>>> of a site or server such as 10.0.0.25 or whatever? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> -Dan >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ --Apple-Mail-11-306309527 Content-Disposition: attachment; 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