Re: [WebDNA] Internal [ipaddress] ?
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texte = --Apple-Mail-11-306309527Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII;format=flowed;delsp=yesContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitWow. Something is said worked!Cheers.PatOn Mar 30, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Dan Strong wrote:> Pat you are exactly right (but you knew that) :) I just got it > resolved and was coming back to the list to post resolution. As you > pointed out, the webserver is separate from the LAN and sees all > internal traffic as a single external-facing, fully-qualified IP. > Just to cover all bases, I went ahead and used the entire external > IP range that we own for detection and it works as expected. Thank > you for your help.> -Dan>>>>> On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:06:25 -0500> Patrick McCormick
wrote:>> Dan,>> You need to either make sure that DHCP is using a fully qualified >> range, within your range of addresses. If you need to use NAT to >> conserve on addresses, then you have to set up the web server and >> DHCP so that all internal machines appear as the same IP (or >> address) to the web server.>> Usually, the web server is outside the company LAN and away from >> the random and unqualified range of internal DHCP-served IP's >> normally used (most people use 192.168.0.xxx or something >> predictable). NAT translates all those internal IPs so they appear >> to be a single, qualified IP to the rest of the internet. Your web >> server should be outside the internal company LAN and IP range and >> should see any internal traffic from any machine internal traffic >> on a single IP.>> I'd make sure that your server is connected to the internet at the >> same level as the router that's serving your DHCP to the internal >> machines. Then figure out what IP address has been assigned to the >> router by the ISP. All internal traffic will appear at your >> webserver on that IP address.>> Pat>> On Mar 30, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Dan Strong wrote:>>> No prob, maybe I wasn't quite as clear as I should have been. I >>> have a site that needs to differentiate between external and >>> internal users, that's all. The site is an "intranet" site that >>> employees are allowed to view from home via a public facing URL, >>> so I have to lock- it down. If access is from within the network, >>> though (like in the Employee Dining Room or from someone's desk), >>> I can assume they are employees, otherwise they wouldn't have >>> been able to log into the corp. network, or gotten into the >>> building to begin with. Since the site is public-facing, IT >>> obviously doesn't want to tie it to the corporate Active >>> Directory stuff, so I am trying to fake unified- login by >>> detecting internal users and simply foregoing log-in. I've >>> identified our public-facing IP range and can do it that way it >>> appears, but I was just wondering if I could identify internal >>> network IPs via WebDNA and if so how.>>> -Dan>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:50:29 +1100>>> Stuart Tremain wrote:>>>> Dan>>>> I think I misread your question.>>>> You should be able to get the ip address of a machine visiting >>>> an internal site but I am not sure how you would get the ip >>>> address of the server from another machine.>>>> How are the machines on the intranet given their ip addresses, >>>> is there an internal DHCP or are they just keyed into the ip >>>> config ?>>>> If the server has a fixed ip address maybe you could put in a >>>> text var on each page of the site.>>>> Regards>>>> Stuart Tremain>>>> IDFK Web Developments>>>> AUSTRALIA>>>> webdna@idfk.com.au>>>> On 31/03/2009, at 9:21 AM, Dan Strong wrote:>>>>> Great, then I'll tell WebDNA you said it was ok :).. No really, >>>>> how would I do it then, [ipaddress]?>>>>> Have I tried? Yes. Did I get an internal IP? No.>>>>> -Dan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:43:51 +1100>>>>> Stuart Tremain wrote:>>>>>> Can't see why not ...>>>>>> So I will say yes.>>>>>> Regards>>>>>> Stuart Tremain>>>>>> IDFK Web Developments>>>>>> AUSTRALIA>>>>>> webdna@idfk.com.au>>>>>> On 31/03/2009, at 8:23 AM, Dan Strong wrote:>>>>>>> I am pretty sure the answer is no, but wanted to double-check...>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the purposes of an intranet, can I detect the internal IP >>>>>>> of a site or server such as 10.0.0.25 or whatever?>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,>>>>>>> -Dan>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>> the mailing 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--Apple-Mail-11-306309527Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII;format=flowed;delsp=yesContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitWow. Something is said worked!Cheers.PatOn Mar 30, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Dan Strong wrote:> Pat you are exactly right (but you knew that) :) I just got it > resolved and was coming back to the list to post resolution. As you > pointed out, the webserver is separate from the LAN and sees all > internal traffic as a single external-facing, fully-qualified IP. > Just to cover all bases, I went ahead and used the entire external > IP range that we own for detection and it works as expected. Thank > you for your help.> -Dan>>>>> On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:06:25 -0500> Patrick McCormick wrote:>> Dan,>> You need to either make sure that DHCP is using a fully qualified >> range, within your range of addresses. If you need to use NAT to >> conserve on addresses, then you have to set up the web server and >> DHCP so that all internal machines appear as the same IP (or >> address) to the web server.>> Usually, the web server is outside the company LAN and away from >> the random and unqualified range of internal DHCP-served IP's >> normally used (most people use 192.168.0.xxx or something >> predictable). NAT translates all those internal IPs so they appear >> to be a single, qualified IP to the rest of the internet. Your web >> server should be outside the internal company LAN and IP range and >> should see any internal traffic from any machine internal traffic >> on a single IP.>> I'd make sure that your server is connected to the internet at the >> same level as the router that's serving your DHCP to the internal >> machines. Then figure out what IP address has been assigned to the >> router by the ISP. All internal traffic will appear at your >> webserver on that IP address.>> Pat>> On Mar 30, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Dan Strong wrote:>>> No prob, maybe I wasn't quite as clear as I should have been. I >>> have a site that needs to differentiate between external and >>> internal users, that's all. The site is an "intranet" site that >>> employees are allowed to view from home via a public facing URL, >>> so I have to lock- it down. If access is from within the network, >>> though (like in the Employee Dining Room or from someone's desk), >>> I can assume they are employees, otherwise they wouldn't have >>> been able to log into the corp. network, or gotten into the >>> building to begin with. Since the site is public-facing, IT >>> obviously doesn't want to tie it to the corporate Active >>> Directory stuff, so I am trying to fake unified- login by >>> detecting internal users and simply foregoing log-in. I've >>> identified our public-facing IP range and can do it that way it >>> appears, but I was just wondering if I could identify internal >>> network IPs via WebDNA and if so how.>>> -Dan>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:50:29 +1100>>> Stuart Tremain wrote:>>>> Dan>>>> I think I misread your question.>>>> You should be able to get the ip address of a machine visiting >>>> an internal site but I am not sure how you would get the ip >>>> address of the server from another machine.>>>> How are the machines on the intranet given their ip addresses, >>>> is there an internal DHCP or are they just keyed into the ip >>>> config ?>>>> If the server has a fixed ip address maybe you could put in a >>>> text var on each page of the site.>>>> Regards>>>> Stuart Tremain>>>> IDFK Web Developments>>>> AUSTRALIA>>>> webdna@idfk.com.au>>>> On 31/03/2009, at 9:21 AM, Dan Strong wrote:>>>>> Great, then I'll tell WebDNA you said it was ok :).. No really, >>>>> how would I do it then, [ipaddress]?>>>>> Have I tried? Yes. Did I get an internal IP? No.>>>>> -Dan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:43:51 +1100>>>>> Stuart Tremain wrote:>>>>>> Can't see why not ...>>>>>> So I will say yes.>>>>>> Regards>>>>>> Stuart Tremain>>>>>> IDFK Web Developments>>>>>> AUSTRALIA>>>>>> webdna@idfk.com.au>>>>>> On 31/03/2009, at 8:23 AM, Dan Strong wrote:>>>>>>> I am pretty sure the answer is no, but wanted to double-check...>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the purposes of an intranet, can I detect the internal IP >>>>>>> of a site or server such as 10.0.0.25 or whatever?>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,>>>>>>> -Dan>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>> the mailing 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