Re: [WebDNA] Internal [ipaddress] ?
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wrote:>> Dan>> I think I misread your question.>> You should be able to get the ip address of a machine visiting an >> internal site but I am not sure how you would get the ip address >> of the server from another machine.>> How are the machines on the intranet given their ip addresses, is >> there an internal DHCP or are they just keyed into the ip config ?>> If the server has a fixed ip address maybe you could put in a text >> var on each page of the site.>> Regards>> Stuart Tremain>> IDFK Web Developments>> AUSTRALIA>> webdna@idfk.com.au>> On 31/03/2009, at 9:21 AM, Dan Strong wrote:>>> Great, then I'll tell WebDNA you said it was ok :).. No really, >>> how would I do it then, [ipaddress]?>>> Have I tried? Yes. Did I get an internal IP? No.>>> -Dan>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:43:51 +1100>>> Stuart Tremain wrote:>>>> Can't see why not ...>>>> So I will say yes.>>>> Regards>>>> Stuart Tremain>>>> IDFK Web Developments>>>> AUSTRALIA>>>> webdna@idfk.com.au>>>> On 31/03/2009, at 8:23 AM, Dan Strong wrote:>>>>> I am pretty sure the answer is no, but wanted to double-check...>>>>>>>>>> For the purposes of an intranet, can I detect the internal IP >>>>> of a site or server such as 10.0.0.25 or whatever?>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,>>>>> -Dan>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: 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--Apple-Mail-10-305264578Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII;format=flowed;delsp=yesContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitDan,You need to either make sure that DHCP is using a fully qualified range, within your range of addresses. If you need to use NAT to conserve on addresses, then you have to set up the web server and DHCP so that all internal machines appear as the same IP (or address) to the web server.Usually, the web server is outside the company LAN and away from the random and unqualified range of internal DHCP-served IP's normally used (most people use 192.168.0.xxx or something predictable). NAT translates all those internal IPs so they appear to be a single, qualified IP to the rest of the internet. Your web server should be outside the internal company LAN and IP range and should see any internal traffic from any machine internal traffic on a single IP.I'd make sure that your server is connected to the internet at the same level as the router that's serving your DHCP to the internal machines. Then figure out what IP address has been assigned to the router by the ISP. All internal traffic will appear at your webserver on that IP address.PatOn Mar 30, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Dan Strong wrote:> No prob, maybe I wasn't quite as clear as I should have been. I have > a site that needs to differentiate between external and internal > users, that's all. The site is an "intranet" site that employees are > allowed to view from home via a public facing URL, so I have to lock- > it down. If access is from within the network, though (like in the > Employee Dining Room or from someone's desk), I can assume they are > employees, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to log into the > corp. network, or gotten into the building to begin with. Since the > site is public-facing, IT obviously doesn't want to tie it to the > corporate Active Directory stuff, so I am trying to fake unified- > login by detecting internal users and simply foregoing log-in. I've > identified our public-facing IP range and can do it that way it > appears, but I was just wondering if I could identify internal > network IPs via WebDNA and if so how.> -Dan>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:50:29 +1100> Stuart Tremain wrote:>> Dan>> I think I misread your question.>> You should be able to get the ip address of a machine visiting an >> internal site but I am not sure how you would get the ip address >> of the server from another machine.>> How are the machines on the intranet given their ip addresses, is >> there an internal DHCP or are they just keyed into the ip config ?>> If the server has a fixed ip address maybe you could put in a text >> var on each page of the site.>> Regards>> Stuart Tremain>> IDFK Web Developments>> AUSTRALIA>> webdna@idfk.com.au>> On 31/03/2009, at 9:21 AM, Dan Strong wrote:>>> Great, then I'll tell WebDNA you said it was ok :).. No really, >>> how would I do it then, [ipaddress]?>>> Have I tried? Yes. Did I get an internal IP? No.>>> -Dan>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:43:51 +1100>>> Stuart Tremain wrote:>>>> Can't see why not ...>>>> So I will say yes.>>>> Regards>>>> Stuart Tremain>>>> IDFK Web Developments>>>> AUSTRALIA>>>> webdna@idfk.com.au>>>> On 31/03/2009, at 8:23 AM, Dan Strong wrote:>>>>> I am pretty sure the answer is no, but wanted to double-check...>>>>>>>>>> For the purposes of an intranet, can I detect the internal IP >>>>> of a site or server such as 10.0.0.25 or whatever?>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,>>>>> -Dan>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/>> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/--Apple-Mail-10-305264578Content-Disposition: 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