Re: [WebDNA] To be or not to be friendly (URLs)
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texte = Good point.-Dan--------------------------------------------------From: "Brian Fries"
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:22 PMTo: Subject: Re: [WebDNA] To be or not to be friendly (URLs)> If that concerns you, you can always add validation code to the not-found > catcher to make sure the label portion of the url matches the expected > value for your content, and redirect to the correct label if there is a > mismatch.>> So, a page name of "75_function.dna" would be rendered in place, but a > page name of "75_frogs.dna" would be redirected to "75_function.dna">> Brian Fries> BrainScan Software>>> On Jan 24, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Dan Strong wrote:>>> The only downside I see with that is if by chance an "alternate" URL for >> your page got indexed somehow, then you'd have duplicate content and >> could be penalized:>>>> http://webdna.us/75_function.dna>> http://webdna.us/75_ufnction.dna>> http://webdna.us/75_frogs-on-the-moon.dna>>>> All same content. Chances of this happening are probably slim, I'll >> admit, but the possibility remains nonetheless, no?>> -Dan>>>> -------------------------------------------------->> From: "Brian Fries" >> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:00 PM>> To: >> Subject: Re: [WebDNA] To be or not to be friendly (URLs)>>>>> For your consideration, one thing I've done in the past for dynamically >>> generated pages is to include the reference number as part of the >>> virtual page name, so you would get:>>>>>> http://webdna.us/75_function.dna>>>>>> Then my not-found trapping code knew to nab the "75" from the beginning >>> of the page name to look up the content, ignoring the rest of the page >>> name. This way the url has a human-readable name with appropriate >>> keywords in it, and there is no need to redirect. As a side effect, >>> "75_function.dna", "75_frogs_on_the_moon.dna", or any other page name >>> beginning with "75_" would get you to the same content, which results in >>> fewer broken links if you decide to change the label of the page from >>> "function" to "function_tag", or if some fat-fingered typist >>> accidentally typed "ufnction" in their link.>>>>>> Brian Fries>>> BrainScan Software>>>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:47 AM, William DeVaul wrote:>>>>>>> I tend to think it is more of a user experience issue. When a list of>>>> search results is viewed, does the URL help someone select the right>>>> link?>>>>>>>> For example, search Google for "WebDNA function" without the quotes.>>>> The titles you've used are pretty good, so for me, I know to select>>>> the second item in the result. The URL is just one more factor to>>>> confirm my selection.>>>>>>>> Note that the list did not return the first result I would have>>>> expected based on the optimization of title and URL so other factors>>>> were more important in this search. It gets hard to outsmart Google>>>> so time is usually better spent making great content and getting>>>> high-quality links.>>>>>>>> Bill>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Dan Strong >>>> wrote:>>>>> I consider myself to be fairly SEO savvy, so I'm not asking this out >>>>> of>>>>> ignorance nor am I looking for an exhaustive lesson on SEO, but I >>>>> would like>>>>> to get some opinions from the SEO experts on the list.>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I prefer friendly URLs, mostly for cosmetic reasons, but >>>>> back>>>>> around 2005, when I first started using them, the consensus was that >>>>> having>>>>> keywords in the URL was good for SEO and for my sites, it did seem to >>>>> be the>>>>> case.>>>>>>>>>> My impression these days is that, like always, relevant original>>>>> human-readable content is the key, and a google sitemap is a very good >>>>> idea,>>>>> but beyond that the typical SEO best practices (validated html/css,>>>>> descriptive title attributes in links, backlinks from authority sites,>>>>> etc.) while they don't hurt, don't necessarily help either. Is that a >>>>> fair>>>>> statement?>>>>>>>>>> Specifically, on the webdna.us site, the links are now like this:>>>>> http://webdna.us?page.dna?numero=152>>>>>>>>>> I'd prefer they were like this, but it's beginning to look like a >>>>> time-sink:>>>>> http://webdna.us/introduction.dna>>>>>>>>>> So, with everything above in mind, what are your opinions about URLs >>>>> like>>>>> this as they relate to SEO:>>>>> http://webdna.us/page.dna?numero=152&topic=introduction>>>>>>>>>> Where "topic" is an unused variable with no purpose other than to put>>>>> descriptive words in the URL>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,>>>>> -Dan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This message >>>>> is>>>>> sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To >>>>> unsubscribe,>>>>> E-mail to: archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug>>>>> Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>> Brian Fries> BrainScan Software>>> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>
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Good point.-Dan--------------------------------------------------From: "Brian Fries" Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:22 PMTo: Subject: Re: [WebDNA] To be or not to be friendly (URLs)> If that concerns you, you can always add validation code to the not-found > catcher to make sure the label portion of the url matches the expected > value for your content, and redirect to the correct label if there is a > mismatch.>> So, a page name of "75_function.dna" would be rendered in place, but a > page name of "75_frogs.dna" would be redirected to "75_function.dna">> Brian Fries> BrainScan Software>>> On Jan 24, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Dan Strong wrote:>>> The only downside I see with that is if by chance an "alternate" URL for >> your page got indexed somehow, then you'd have duplicate content and >> could be penalized:>>>> http://webdna.us/75_function.dna>> http://webdna.us/75_ufnction.dna>> http://webdna.us/75_frogs-on-the-moon.dna>>>> All same content. Chances of this happening are probably slim, I'll >> admit, but the possibility remains nonetheless, no?>> -Dan>>>> -------------------------------------------------->> From: "Brian Fries" >> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:00 PM>> To: >> Subject: Re: [WebDNA] To be or not to be friendly (URLs)>>>>> For your consideration, one thing I've done in the past for dynamically >>> generated pages is to include the reference number as part of the >>> virtual page name, so you would get:>>>>>> http://webdna.us/75_function.dna>>>>>> Then my not-found trapping code knew to nab the "75" from the beginning >>> of the page name to look up the content, ignoring the rest of the page >>> name. This way the url has a human-readable name with appropriate >>> keywords in it, and there is no need to redirect. As a side effect, >>> "75_function.dna", "75_frogs_on_the_moon.dna", or any other page name >>> beginning with "75_" would get you to the same content, which results in >>> fewer broken links if you decide to change the label of the page from >>> "function" to "function_tag", or if some fat-fingered typist >>> accidentally typed "ufnction" in their link.>>>>>> Brian Fries>>> BrainScan Software>>>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:47 AM, William DeVaul wrote:>>>>>>> I tend to think it is more of a user experience issue. When a list of>>>> search results is viewed, does the URL help someone select the right>>>> link?>>>>>>>> For example, search Google for "WebDNA function" without the quotes.>>>> The titles you've used are pretty good, so for me, I know to select>>>> the second item in the result. The URL is just one more factor to>>>> confirm my selection.>>>>>>>> Note that the list did not return the first result I would have>>>> expected based on the optimization of title and URL so other factors>>>> were more important in this search. It gets hard to outsmart Google>>>> so time is usually better spent making great content and getting>>>> high-quality links.>>>>>>>> Bill>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Dan Strong >>>> wrote:>>>>> I consider myself to be fairly SEO savvy, so I'm not asking this out >>>>> of>>>>> ignorance nor am I looking for an exhaustive lesson on SEO, but I >>>>> would like>>>>> to get some opinions from the SEO experts on the list.>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I prefer friendly URLs, mostly for cosmetic reasons, but >>>>> back>>>>> around 2005, when I first started using them, the consensus was that >>>>> having>>>>> keywords in the URL was good for SEO and for my sites, it did seem to >>>>> be the>>>>> case.>>>>>>>>>> My impression these days is that, like always, relevant original>>>>> human-readable content is the key, and a google sitemap is a very good >>>>> idea,>>>>> but beyond that the typical SEO best practices (validated html/css,>>>>> descriptive title attributes in links, backlinks from authority sites,>>>>> etc.) while they don't hurt, don't necessarily help either. Is that a >>>>> fair>>>>> statement?>>>>>>>>>> Specifically, on the webdna.us site, the links are now like this:>>>>> http://webdna.us?page.dna?numero=152>>>>>>>>>> I'd prefer they were like this, but it's beginning to look like a >>>>> time-sink:>>>>> http://webdna.us/introduction.dna>>>>>>>>>> So, with everything above in mind, what are your opinions about URLs >>>>> like>>>>> this as they relate to SEO:>>>>> http://webdna.us/page.dna?numero=152&topic=introduction>>>>>>>>>> Where "topic" is an unused variable with no purpose other than to put>>>>> descriptive words in the URL>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,>>>>> -Dan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This message >>>>> is>>>>> sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To >>>>> unsubscribe,>>>>> E-mail to: archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug>>>>> Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>> Brian Fries> BrainScan Software>>> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>
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