Re: [BULK] Re: [WebDNA] [BULK] Mac OS X LION has no FastCGI

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2011

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texte = Hello everybody, and to make things absolutely clear:- WebDNA 7.0 WILL run under Lion. The fasctCGI module is just a plug =that allows apache to "speak" to any FastCGI executable. Since Ruby, =Lasso to name a few need this module too, it will quickly be available =to the very new Lion community. It is not a Lion's matter: WebDNA relies =on Apache, and Apache offers several FastCGI solutions. The first Lion =release does not include one, the procedure to add one will be available =on the internet within days, if not in the next fixed release. We could =possibly provide one too, but this would make a "proprietary" apache =version, and we prefer to keep things open (the same module must be =available to all FastCGI executables).- The message i posted is a quick fix with the purpose to use Snow =Leopard module under Lion. There will be better solutions within days or =weeks.- It is NOT a good idea to run a production server from a very new OS as =Lion. I do not even use it as a desktop OS until first bugs are fixed. =Hopefully, this will be quick. There is already a 10.7.2 coming out =these days, a week only after release.- WebDNA is NOT in beta period: it is perfectly stable under Snow =Leopard and linux. I just said it has not been released yet.- chrisOn Jul 25, 2011, at 5:11, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:> ... and let me make one thing clear.>=20> I am not requesting that WebDNA will work under Lion. I have observed =and concluded that it does not. I thought this information would be =helpful for WSC and at the same time I requested information on their =position towards the challenge. I do not appreciate the negative impact =feedback which was not intended. Although as a customer I would =appreciate a clear position/roadmap such as if Lion is going to be fully =supported or not. Any other feedback such as claiming that the platform =I have selected for my business gives a bad reputation to this community =- and thank you for the support (Donovan).>=20> Palle>=20>=20>=20> On 25/07/2011, at 10.00, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>=20>> Hi Kenneth,>>=20>> You are misunderstanding the facts.>>=20>> FastCGI is not a part of Lion per default; not even selectable - and =I am afraid that Chris is wrong as well. It' not there. You need to =install it yourself.>>=20>> Palle>>=20>>=20>> On 24/07/2011, at 23.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>=20>>> There, see Palle? Chris said that WebDNA 7 works under=20>>> Apache when using the fastcgi module, so I guess you were=20>>> misinformed or worried about nothing.>>>=20>>> Sincerely,>>> Kenneth Grome>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>> Lion as well as Snow Leopard and all other OSX versions>>>> are using apache as web server. There is a module>>>> fastcgi_module (mod_fastcgi.so) for all apache versions>>>> and if it is not loaded by default on Lion, it is>>>> certainly no difficult to load or install. So, nothing>>>> to worry about: WebDNA.fcgi will run just as fine with>>>> Lion as on almost all other web servers.>>>>=20>>>> - chris>>>>=20>>>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 16:30, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>>>>> Hi Kenneth,>>>>>=20>>>>> Thank you for the sarcasm/irony. Besides being>>>>> entertained by your reply I do not find it useful>>>>> whatsoever.>>>>>=20>>>>> I have chosen to use Mac as a platform for web>>>>> development as has many others. WSC has chosen to>>>>> support the Mac platform as well as other platforms,>>>>> which I appreciate.>>>>>=20>>>>> So now I just wanted to inform the community that there>>>>> is no FCGI in Lion and at the same time ask for the>>>>> WSC's official opinion on the challenge at hand.>>>>>=20>>>>> I rest my case and wish you a good day Kenneth, no>>>>> matter what platform you choose. I am here to be a>>>>> part of the community - not trying to have a war on>>>>> platforms.>>>>>=20>>>>> Palle>>>>>=20>>>>> On 24/07/2011, at 21.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>>> It seems like Apple has chosen not to include FastCGI>>>>>>> as an option in Mac OS X Lion or Mac OS X Lion>>>>>>> Server.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Big deal. Hardly anyone uses Mac servers any more>>>>>> these days anyways, do they?>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Even if they do, why bother upgrading just because a>>>>>> new version is released? If the version you're>>>>>> currently using works fine, just keep using it!>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Or better yet, why not switch to Linux?>>>>>>=20>>>>>> The vast majority of the world's web servers run Linux>>>>>> these days anyways. Maybe you should try it. Then>>>>>> you won't have to worry about Apple's strange>>>>>> decisions any more.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> I'm actually surprised that Apple is still producing>>>>>> and marketing servers. I heard that they pulled the>>>>>> plug on that division and were no longer producing or>>>>>> selling server hardware or software ... but maybe>>>>>> they just cut the server division's funding so much>>>>>> that the dev team didn't have the resources to>>>>>> include FastCGI.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Apple has strangely abandoned other technologies while>>>>>> they were still in heavy use too, so I'm not>>>>>> surprised about this. But I fail to see why you're>>>>>> so determined to stick with Mac servers ...>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Is there something you cannot do on a Linux server>>>>>> that you can do on a Mac server? Or is it just that>>>>>> Linux is a new and different platform that you do not>>>>>> really want to learn? Because believe me, it's not>>>>>> that hard ...>>>>>>=20>>>>>> When Apple refused to stand behind the last desktop>>>>>> computer I bought from them several years ago, I>>>>>> abandoned Apple in favor of Linux -- not only as a>>>>>> desktop computer but also as a server. It was the>>>>>> best decision I ever made in my life as a web>>>>>> developer and server admin.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Since then I have never felt that I had a good reason>>>>>> to go back to MacOS. And I was one of the biggest>>>>>> die-hard Mac fans you could possibly have known back>>>>>> then, so it was NOT a simple decision for me to>>>>>> switch!>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Yet after I made the switch I realized how much I was>>>>>> missing in the Mac-only environment -- and how much>>>>>> more it was costing me financially. =46rom that point>>>>>> on I have always felt very, very good about my>>>>>> decision to switch.>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Knowing that the Lion has just been set free, I would>>>>>>> like to ask WSC on their position; what can we expect>>>>>>> from your side...>>>>>>=20>>>>>> I'm not WSC but my guess is that your choices are>>>>>> simple:>>>>>>=20>>>>>> 1- Write your own FastCGI module for your Lion server>>>>>> so you can use WebDNA 7.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> 2- Keep using WebDNA 6.2 on your Lion server so you do>>>>>> not need FastCGI.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> 3- Get a Linux server and run WebDNA 7 and future>>>>>> versions of WebDNA on it.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> 4- Abandon WebDNA in favor of some other server side>>>>>> scripting language that will run on your Lion server.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> 5- Retire so you don't have to reply on companies like>>>>>> Apple or WSC to do what you want them to do any more.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> 6- Another option I have not considered ... ???>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Good luck whatever you do.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> :)>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------>>>>>> --- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>=20>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>=20>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>=20> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

Hello everybody, and to make things absolutely clear:- WebDNA 7.0 WILL run under Lion. The fasctCGI module is just a plug =that allows apache to "speak" to any FastCGI executable. Since Ruby, =Lasso to name a few need this module too, it will quickly be available =to the very new Lion community. It is not a Lion's matter: WebDNA relies =on Apache, and Apache offers several FastCGI solutions. The first Lion =release does not include one, the procedure to add one will be available =on the internet within days, if not in the next fixed release. We could =possibly provide one too, but this would make a "proprietary" apache =version, and we prefer to keep things open (the same module must be =available to all FastCGI executables).- The message i posted is a quick fix with the purpose to use Snow =Leopard module under Lion. There will be better solutions within days or =weeks.- It is NOT a good idea to run a production server from a very new OS as =Lion. I do not even use it as a desktop OS until first bugs are fixed. =Hopefully, this will be quick. There is already a 10.7.2 coming out =these days, a week only after release.- WebDNA is NOT in beta period: it is perfectly stable under Snow =Leopard and linux. I just said it has not been released yet.- chrisOn Jul 25, 2011, at 5:11, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:> ... and let me make one thing clear.>=20> I am not requesting that WebDNA will work under Lion. I have observed =and concluded that it does not. I thought this information would be =helpful for WSC and at the same time I requested information on their =position towards the challenge. I do not appreciate the negative impact =feedback which was not intended. Although as a customer I would =appreciate a clear position/roadmap such as if Lion is going to be fully =supported or not. Any other feedback such as claiming that the platform =I have selected for my business gives a bad reputation to this community =- and thank you for the support (Donovan).>=20> Palle>=20>=20>=20> On 25/07/2011, at 10.00, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>=20>> Hi Kenneth,>>=20>> You are misunderstanding the facts.>>=20>> FastCGI is not a part of Lion per default; not even selectable - and =I am afraid that Chris is wrong as well. It' not there. You need to =install it yourself.>>=20>> Palle>>=20>>=20>> On 24/07/2011, at 23.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>=20>>> There, see Palle? Chris said that WebDNA 7 works under=20>>> Apache when using the fastcgi module, so I guess you were=20>>> misinformed or worried about nothing.>>>=20>>> Sincerely,>>> Kenneth Grome>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>> Lion as well as Snow Leopard and all other OSX versions>>>> are using apache as web server. There is a module>>>> fastcgi_module (mod_fastcgi.so) for all apache versions>>>> and if it is not loaded by default on Lion, it is>>>> certainly no difficult to load or install. So, nothing>>>> to worry about: WebDNA.fcgi will run just as fine with>>>> Lion as on almost all other web servers.>>>>=20>>>> - chris>>>>=20>>>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 16:30, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>>>>> Hi Kenneth,>>>>>=20>>>>> Thank you for the sarcasm/irony. Besides being>>>>> entertained by your reply I do not find it useful>>>>> whatsoever.>>>>>=20>>>>> I have chosen to use Mac as a platform for web>>>>> development as has many others. WSC has chosen to>>>>> support the Mac platform as well as other platforms,>>>>> which I appreciate.>>>>>=20>>>>> So now I just wanted to inform the community that there>>>>> is no FCGI in Lion and at the same time ask for the>>>>> WSC's official opinion on the challenge at hand.>>>>>=20>>>>> I rest my case and wish you a good day Kenneth, no>>>>> matter what platform you choose. I am here to be a>>>>> part of the community - not trying to have a war on>>>>> platforms.>>>>>=20>>>>> Palle>>>>>=20>>>>> On 24/07/2011, at 21.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>>> It seems like Apple has chosen not to include FastCGI>>>>>>> as an option in Mac OS X Lion or Mac OS X Lion>>>>>>> Server.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Big deal. Hardly anyone uses Mac servers any more>>>>>> these days anyways, do they?>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Even if they do, why bother upgrading just because a>>>>>> new version is released? If the version you're>>>>>> currently using works fine, just keep using it!>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Or better yet, why not switch to Linux?>>>>>>=20>>>>>> The vast majority of the world's web servers run Linux>>>>>> these days anyways. Maybe you should try it. Then>>>>>> you won't have to worry about Apple's strange>>>>>> decisions any more.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> I'm actually surprised that Apple is still producing>>>>>> and marketing servers. I heard that they pulled the>>>>>> plug on that division and were no longer producing or>>>>>> selling server hardware or software ... but maybe>>>>>> they just cut the server division's funding so much>>>>>> that the dev team didn't have the resources to>>>>>> include FastCGI.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Apple has strangely abandoned other technologies while>>>>>> they were still in heavy use too, so I'm not>>>>>> surprised about this. But I fail to see why you're>>>>>> so determined to stick with Mac servers ...>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Is there something you cannot do on a Linux server>>>>>> that you can do on a Mac server? Or is it just that>>>>>> Linux is a new and different platform that you do not>>>>>> really want to learn? Because believe me, it's not>>>>>> that hard ...>>>>>>=20>>>>>> When Apple refused to stand behind the last desktop>>>>>> computer I bought from them several years ago, I>>>>>> abandoned Apple in favor of Linux -- not only as a>>>>>> desktop computer but also as a server. It was the>>>>>> best decision I ever made in my life as a web>>>>>> developer and server admin.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Since then I have never felt that I had a good reason>>>>>> to go back to MacOS. And I was one of the biggest>>>>>> die-hard Mac fans you could possibly have known back>>>>>> then, so it was NOT a simple decision for me to>>>>>> switch!>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Yet after I made the switch I realized how much I was>>>>>> missing in the Mac-only environment -- and how much>>>>>> more it was costing me financially. =46rom that point>>>>>> on I have always felt very, very good about my>>>>>> decision to switch.>>>>>>=20>>>>>>> Knowing that the Lion has just been set free, I would>>>>>>> like to ask WSC on their position; what can we expect>>>>>>> from your side...>>>>>>=20>>>>>> I'm not WSC but my guess is that your choices are>>>>>> simple:>>>>>>=20>>>>>> 1- Write your own FastCGI module for your Lion server>>>>>> so you can use WebDNA 7.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> 2- Keep using WebDNA 6.2 on your Lion server so you do>>>>>> not need FastCGI.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> 3- Get a Linux server and run WebDNA 7 and future>>>>>> versions of WebDNA on it.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> 4- Abandon WebDNA in favor of some other server side>>>>>> scripting language that will run on your Lion server.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> 5- Retire so you don't have to reply on companies like>>>>>> Apple or WSC to do what you want them to do any more.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> 6- Another option I have not considered ... ???>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Good luck whatever you do.>>>>>>=20>>>>>> :)>>>>>>=20>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------>>>>>> --- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>=20>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>=20>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>=20> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us christophe.billiottet@webdna.us

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