Re: [BULK] Re: [WebDNA] [BULK] Mac OS X LION has no FastCGI

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2011

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texte = http://lasso.2283332.n4.nabble.com/FastCGI-Module-Missing-In-10-7-td3641321=.htmlLooks like the missing fastcgi goes beyond WebDNA as Chris suggests,but the solution may be simple as one person reports just copyingfastcgi from Snow Leopard works.I'm not moving to Lion anytime soon. Snow Leopard and Linux workgreat for dev and production.BillOn Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:> Hi Chris and Talk List,>> I am pleased to understand that we agree. WebDNA 7 on Lion will not work =until there is a FastCGI/FCGI solution on the built in Apache platform; unt=il then WebDNA 7 will not work out of the box. Hence we will have to wait u=ntil a solution is brought to the table by someone if Lion OS is to be used=. This is what I conclude from the dialogue from this thread with participa=tion from WSC.>> I am not using Lion in an production environment although I am experiment=ing with Lion to learn before taking the next step and my observations led =me to the observation which started this thread; I hope it interested someo=ne at least.>> Although Lion seems very stable I have not migrated to this platform on t=he server level; I do use it on a desktop level without any problems. A qui=ck update from Apple after releasing a new OS is normal and it will be quit=e huge due to iCloud.>> I will wait and se what happens in the community for the next couple of w=eeks; just to see if Lion will be up and running with WebDNA 7.>> All the best> Palle>>>> On 25/07/2011, at 12.41, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote:>>> Hello everybody, and to make things absolutely clear:>>>> - WebDNA 7.0 WILL run under Lion. The fasctCGI module is just a plug tha=t allows apache to "speak" to any FastCGI executable. Since Ruby, Lasso to =name a few need this module too, it will quickly be available to the very n=ew Lion community. It is not a Lion's matter: WebDNA relies on Apache, and =Apache offers several FastCGI solutions. The first Lion release does not in=clude one, the procedure to add one will be available on the internet withi=n days, if not in the next fixed release. We could possibly provide one too=, but this would make a "proprietary" apache version, and we prefer to keep= things open (the same module must be available to all FastCGI executables)=.>> - The message i posted is a quick fix with the purpose to use Snow Leopa=rd module under Lion. There will be better solutions within days or weeks.>> - It is NOT a good idea to run a production server from a very new OS as= Lion. I do not even use it as a desktop OS until first bugs are fixed. Hop=efully, this will be quick. There is already a 10.7.2 coming out these days=, a week only after release.>> - WebDNA is NOT in beta period: it is perfectly stable under Snow Leopar=d and linux. I just said it has not been released yet.>>>> - chris>>>> On Jul 25, 2011, at 5:11, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>>>>> ... and let me make one thing clear.>>>>>> I am not requesting that WebDNA will work under Lion. I have observed a=nd concluded that it does not. I thought this information would be helpful =for WSC and at the same time I requested information on their position towa=rds the challenge. I do not appreciate the negative impact feedback which w=as not intended. Although as a customer I would appreciate a clear position=/roadmap such as if Lion is going to be fully supported or not. Any other f=eedback such as claiming that the platform I have selected for my business =gives a bad reputation to this community - and thank you for the support (D=onovan).>>>>>> Palle>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/07/2011, at 10.00, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>>>>>>> Hi Kenneth,>>>>>>>> You are misunderstanding the facts.>>>>>>>> FastCGI is not a part of Lion per default; not even selectable - and I= am afraid that Chris is wrong as well. It' not there. You need to install =it yourself.>>>>>>>> Palle>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24/07/2011, at 23.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>>>>> There, see Palle? =A0Chris said that WebDNA 7 works under>>>>> Apache when using the fastcgi module, so I guess you were>>>>> misinformed or worried about nothing.>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lion as well as Snow Leopard and all other OSX versions>>>>>> are using apache as web server. There is a module>>>>>> fastcgi_module (mod_fastcgi.so) for all apache versions>>>>>> and if it is not loaded by default on Lion, it is>>>>>> certainly no difficult to load or install. So, nothing>>>>>> to worry about: WebDNA.fcgi will run just as fine with>>>>>> Lion as on almost all other web servers.>>>>>>>>>>>> - chris>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 16:30, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>>>>>>> Hi Kenneth,>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the sarcasm/irony. Besides being>>>>>>> entertained by your reply I do not find it useful>>>>>>> whatsoever.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have chosen to use Mac as a platform for web>>>>>>> development as has many others. WSC has chosen to>>>>>>> support the Mac platform as well as other platforms,>>>>>>> which I appreciate.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So now I just wanted to inform the community that there>>>>>>> is no FCGI in Lion and at the same time ask for the>>>>>>> WSC's official opinion on the challenge at hand.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I rest my case and wish you a good day Kenneth, no>>>>>>> matter what platform you choose. I am here to be a>>>>>>> part of the community - not trying to have a war on>>>>>>> platforms.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palle>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24/07/2011, at 21.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>>>>> It seems like Apple has chosen not to include FastCGI>>>>>>>>> as an option in Mac OS X Lion or Mac OS X Lion>>>>>>>>> Server.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big deal. =A0Hardly anyone uses Mac servers any more>>>>>>>> these days anyways, do they?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if they do, why bother upgrading just because a>>>>>>>> new version is released? =A0If the version you're>>>>>>>> currently using works fine, just keep using it!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or better yet, why not switch to Linux?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of the world's web servers run Linux>>>>>>>> these days anyways. =A0Maybe you should try it. =A0Then>>>>>>>> you won't have to worry about Apple's strange>>>>>>>> decisions any more.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm actually surprised that Apple is still producing>>>>>>>> and marketing servers. =A0I heard that they pulled the>>>>>>>> plug on that division and were no longer producing or>>>>>>>> selling server hardware or software ... but maybe>>>>>>>> they just cut the server division's funding so much>>>>>>>> that the dev team didn't have the resources to>>>>>>>> include FastCGI.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple has strangely abandoned other technologies while>>>>>>>> they were still in heavy use too, so I'm not>>>>>>>> surprised about this. =A0But I fail to see why you're>>>>>>>> so determined to stick with Mac servers ...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something you cannot do on a Linux server>>>>>>>> that you can do on a Mac server? =A0Or is it just that>>>>>>>> Linux is a new and different platform that you do not>>>>>>>> really want to learn? Because believe me, it's not>>>>>>>> that hard ...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When Apple refused to stand behind the last desktop>>>>>>>> computer I bought from them several years ago, I>>>>>>>> abandoned Apple in favor of Linux -- not only as a>>>>>>>> desktop computer but also as a server. =A0It was the>>>>>>>> best decision I ever made in my life as a web>>>>>>>> developer and server admin.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since then I have never felt that I had a good reason>>>>>>>> to go back to MacOS. =A0And I was one of the biggest>>>>>>>> die-hard Mac fans you could possibly have known back>>>>>>>> then, so it was NOT a simple decision for me to>>>>>>>> switch!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet after I made the switch I realized how much I was>>>>>>>> missing in the Mac-only environment -- and how much>>>>>>>> more it was costing me financially. =A0From that point>>>>>>>> on I have always felt very, very good about my>>>>>>>> decision to switch.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Knowing that the Lion has just been set free, I would>>>>>>>>> like to ask WSC on their position; what can we expect>>>>>>>>> from your side...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not WSC but my guess is that your choices are>>>>>>>> simple:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- Write your own FastCGI module for your Lion server>>>>>>>> so you can use WebDNA 7.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- Keep using WebDNA 6.2 on your Lion server so you do>>>>>>>> not need FastCGI.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3- Get a Linux server and run WebDNA 7 and future>>>>>>>> versions of WebDNA on it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4- Abandon WebDNA in favor of some other server side>>>>>>>> scripting language that will run on your Lion server.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5- Retire so you don't have to reply on companies like>>>>>>>> Apple or WSC to do what you want them to do any more.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6- Another option I have not considered ... ???>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck whatever you do.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------>>>>>>>> --- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us> Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

http://lasso.2283332.n4.nabble.com/FastCGI-Module-Missing-In-10-7-td3641321=.htmlLooks like the missing fastcgi goes beyond WebDNA as Chris suggests,but the solution may be simple as one person reports just copyingfastcgi from Snow Leopard works.I'm not moving to Lion anytime soon. Snow Leopard and Linux workgreat for dev and production.BillOn Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:> Hi Chris and Talk List,>> I am pleased to understand that we agree. WebDNA 7 on Lion will not work =until there is a FastCGI/FCGI solution on the built in Apache platform; unt=il then WebDNA 7 will not work out of the box. Hence we will have to wait u=ntil a solution is brought to the table by someone if Lion OS is to be used=. This is what I conclude from the dialogue from this thread with participa=tion from WSC.>> I am not using Lion in an production environment although I am experiment=ing with Lion to learn before taking the next step and my observations led =me to the observation which started this thread; I hope it interested someo=ne at least.>> Although Lion seems very stable I have not migrated to this platform on t=he server level; I do use it on a desktop level without any problems. A qui=ck update from Apple after releasing a new OS is normal and it will be quit=e huge due to iCloud.>> I will wait and se what happens in the community for the next couple of w=eeks; just to see if Lion will be up and running with WebDNA 7.>> All the best> Palle>>>> On 25/07/2011, at 12.41, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote:>>> Hello everybody, and to make things absolutely clear:>>>> - WebDNA 7.0 WILL run under Lion. The fasctCGI module is just a plug tha=t allows apache to "speak" to any FastCGI executable. Since Ruby, Lasso to =name a few need this module too, it will quickly be available to the very n=ew Lion community. It is not a Lion's matter: WebDNA relies on Apache, and =Apache offers several FastCGI solutions. The first Lion release does not in=clude one, the procedure to add one will be available on the internet withi=n days, if not in the next fixed release. We could possibly provide one too=, but this would make a "proprietary" apache version, and we prefer to keep= things open (the same module must be available to all FastCGI executables)=.>> - The message i posted is a quick fix with the purpose to use Snow Leopa=rd module under Lion. There will be better solutions within days or weeks.>> - It is NOT a good idea to run a production server from a very new OS as= Lion. I do not even use it as a desktop OS until first bugs are fixed. Hop=efully, this will be quick. There is already a 10.7.2 coming out these days=, a week only after release.>> - WebDNA is NOT in beta period: it is perfectly stable under Snow Leopar=d and linux. I just said it has not been released yet.>>>> - chris>>>> On Jul 25, 2011, at 5:11, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>>>>> ... and let me make one thing clear.>>>>>> I am not requesting that WebDNA will work under Lion. I have observed a=nd concluded that it does not. I thought this information would be helpful =for WSC and at the same time I requested information on their position towa=rds the challenge. I do not appreciate the negative impact feedback which w=as not intended. Although as a customer I would appreciate a clear position=/roadmap such as if Lion is going to be fully supported or not. Any other f=eedback such as claiming that the platform I have selected for my business =gives a bad reputation to this community - and thank you for the support (D=onovan).>>>>>> Palle>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/07/2011, at 10.00, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>>>>>>> Hi Kenneth,>>>>>>>> You are misunderstanding the facts.>>>>>>>> FastCGI is not a part of Lion per default; not even selectable - and I= am afraid that Chris is wrong as well. It' not there. You need to install =it yourself.>>>>>>>> Palle>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24/07/2011, at 23.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>>>>> There, see Palle? =A0Chris said that WebDNA 7 works under>>>>> Apache when using the fastcgi module, so I guess you were>>>>> misinformed or worried about nothing.>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lion as well as Snow Leopard and all other OSX versions>>>>>> are using apache as web server. There is a module>>>>>> fastcgi_module (mod_fastcgi.so) for all apache versions>>>>>> and if it is not loaded by default on Lion, it is>>>>>> certainly no difficult to load or install. So, nothing>>>>>> to worry about: WebDNA.fcgi will run just as fine with>>>>>> Lion as on almost all other web servers.>>>>>>>>>>>> - chris>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 16:30, Palle Bo Nielsen wrote:>>>>>>> Hi Kenneth,>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the sarcasm/irony. Besides being>>>>>>> entertained by your reply I do not find it useful>>>>>>> whatsoever.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have chosen to use Mac as a platform for web>>>>>>> development as has many others. WSC has chosen to>>>>>>> support the Mac platform as well as other platforms,>>>>>>> which I appreciate.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So now I just wanted to inform the community that there>>>>>>> is no FCGI in Lion and at the same time ask for the>>>>>>> WSC's official opinion on the challenge at hand.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I rest my case and wish you a good day Kenneth, no>>>>>>> matter what platform you choose. I am here to be a>>>>>>> part of the community - not trying to have a war on>>>>>>> platforms.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palle>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24/07/2011, at 21.16, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>>>>> It seems like Apple has chosen not to include FastCGI>>>>>>>>> as an option in Mac OS X Lion or Mac OS X Lion>>>>>>>>> Server.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big deal. =A0Hardly anyone uses Mac servers any more>>>>>>>> these days anyways, do they?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if they do, why bother upgrading just because a>>>>>>>> new version is released? =A0If the version you're>>>>>>>> currently using works fine, just keep using it!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or better yet, why not switch to Linux?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of the world's web servers run Linux>>>>>>>> these days anyways. =A0Maybe you should try it. =A0Then>>>>>>>> you won't have to worry about Apple's strange>>>>>>>> decisions any more.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm actually surprised that Apple is still producing>>>>>>>> and marketing servers. =A0I heard that they pulled the>>>>>>>> plug on that division and were no longer producing or>>>>>>>> selling server hardware or software ... but maybe>>>>>>>> they just cut the server division's funding so much>>>>>>>> that the dev team didn't have the resources to>>>>>>>> include FastCGI.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple has strangely abandoned other technologies while>>>>>>>> they were still in heavy use too, so I'm not>>>>>>>> surprised about this. =A0But I fail to see why you're>>>>>>>> so determined to stick with Mac servers ...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something you cannot do on a Linux server>>>>>>>> that you can do on a Mac server? =A0Or is it just that>>>>>>>> Linux is a new and different platform that you do not>>>>>>>> really want to learn? Because believe me, it's not>>>>>>>> that hard ...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When Apple refused to stand behind the last desktop>>>>>>>> computer I bought from them several years ago, I>>>>>>>> abandoned Apple in favor of Linux -- not only as a>>>>>>>> desktop computer but also as a server. =A0It was the>>>>>>>> best decision I ever made in my life as a web>>>>>>>> developer and server admin.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since then I have never felt that I had a good reason>>>>>>>> to go back to MacOS. =A0And I was one of the biggest>>>>>>>> die-hard Mac fans you could possibly have known back>>>>>>>> then, so it was NOT a simple decision for me to>>>>>>>> switch!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet after I made the switch I realized how much I was>>>>>>>> missing in the Mac-only environment -- and how much>>>>>>>> more it was costing me financially. =A0From that point>>>>>>>> on I have always felt very, very good about my>>>>>>>> decision to switch.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Knowing that the Lion has just been set free, I would>>>>>>>>> like to ask WSC on their position; what can we expect>>>>>>>>> from your side...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not WSC but my guess is that your choices are>>>>>>>> simple:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- Write your own FastCGI module for your Lion server>>>>>>>> so you can use WebDNA 7.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- Keep using WebDNA 6.2 on your Lion server so you do>>>>>>>> not need FastCGI.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3- Get a Linux server and run WebDNA 7 and future>>>>>>>> versions of WebDNA on it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4- Abandon WebDNA in favor of some other server side>>>>>>>> scripting language that will run on your Lion server.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5- Retire so you don't have to reply on companies like>>>>>>>> Apple or WSC to do what you want them to do any more.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6- Another option I have not considered ... ???>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck whatever you do.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>>>> Kenneth Grome>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------>>>>>>>> --- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------->>>>>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are>>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list .>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>>> the mailing list .>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>>> the mailing list .>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>> --------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us> William DeVaul

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Re: [BULK] Re: [WebDNA] [BULK] Mac OS X LION has no FastCGI

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