Re: [WebDNA] jumping on the linux train
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2011
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texte = On 7/28/11 2:59 PM, aaronmichaelmusic@gmail.com wrote: > Ken, Adam=85you guys rock, thanks a lot! > > Adam, you answered my next question. I was thinking about running a pa= rtition on my desktop (mac) of the latest Ubuntu to get a feel. Or simpl= y booting from disc to test out the water. > > I think the thing that's always been intimidating is the lack of GUI. = I've been managing a Windows 2003 VPS and a Snow Leopard Server for a whi= le. Its really convenient to have that (interface) when getting things u= p and running quickly, but I realized that it really becomes a crutch: wh= en something goes wrong that the GUI can't fix, I really don't know what = to do. And that's the thing I want to remedy. > > I've always opted out of admin tools like Plesk, parallels, etc. I als= o like to "do it myself". Do you see any intrinsic value to some of the = Linux tools like Webmin, or do they also become crutches after a while? > > Thanks again! > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Adam OConnor wrote: > >> Hey Aaron - >> >> Many will probably debate this but IMO if your work/time is dedicated = to the web then you're better off using Linux as your primary OS - for bo= th dev and hosting. >> >> When I used to use windows it seemed like I spent too much time findin= g a windows version of what many were doing with Linux. >> >> You should toss a copy of Ubuntu server (w/o GUI) on a spare machine t= o play with. Also - using Ubuntu as your desktop/dev (w/GUI) machine may= help you become familiar with it quicker. >> >> Here's a book I've found quite handy: >> http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Phrasebook-Scott-Granneman/dp/0672328380 >> >> Best, >> Adam O >> >> >> >> On 7/28/11 1:55 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>>> What flavor (distro) do you like to use with WebDNA >>> They are all good. I've been replacing Apache with Lighttpd >>> and using WebDNA 7 on the last few VPS's I've bought, and my >>> clients and I have been very happy with the results. >>> >>> >>>> Are there any advantages to any particular or is it >>>> purely a matter of taste? >>> Mostly a matter of taste. >>> >>> Although if you want to use a good free tool such as Webmin >>> to administer the server remotely via HTTP then you should >>> probably consider CentOS since Webmin was designed for it. >>> Having said this, Webmin works with other Linux OS's too. >>> It's just that some OS's such as CentOS have more Webmin >>> modules available. >>> >>> I used to use CentOS when I used Webmin, but I don't need >>> Webmin any more so now I use Debian. Debian is the basis of >>> Ubuntu -- the most popular desktop Linux OS -- so now I'm >>> using the same basic system on my servers and my desktop >>> boxes. This makes things simpler and easier for me to >>> remember, and I have never seen any performance difference no >>> matter what Linux OS I use. >>> >>> >>>> What is a preferred Linux VPS host for hosting DNA >>>> sites? >>> I've used several and would not recommend any of them over >>> any others. As soon as someone thinks they found the >>> perfect VPS host someone else will have tons of problems >>> with the very same host. They all have problems once in a >>> while, some more than others. >>> >>> Look at the reviews here for the best info I have found on >>> the web regarding the performance of different VPS hosts: >>> >>> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3D103 >>> >>> By the way, there are some super-cheap VPS hosts who >>> consistently underprice their services in order to get >>> thousands of new subscribers, then they sell out to bigger >>> hosts who change their prices and terms, delete accounts >>> with no reason, etc. It feels kind of like the "wild west" >>> in the VPS industry sometimes. >>> >>> Here are two references to get you started: >>> >>> http://www.lowendbox.com/ >>> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3D104 >>> >>> Be careful to note the difference between managed and >>> unmanaged. I have never used managed because I prefer to >>> "do it myself", and if you intend to learn Linux the last >>> thing you want is a managed VPS. >>> >>> >>>> Where or what is a good >>>> resource to get a crash course in beginning with Linux? >>> In my opinion the best way to learn to run your own Linux >>> VPS is to "just do it". >>> >>> Get a super-cheap unmanaged VPS that you can pay for on a >>> monthly (not yearly) basis and get started immediately. Do >>> not put any important websites on this server yet, just use >>> it as a "teaching server" -- to teach yourself how to run >>> it. Then you can learn everything gradually, without >>> creating any emergencies for yourself or your clients. >>> >>> Just google what you don't know whenever you have a question >>> or problem and you should be fine ... :) >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Kenneth Grome >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list
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On 7/28/11 2:59 PM, aaronmichaelmusic@gmail.com wrote: > Ken, Adam=85you guys rock, thanks a lot! > > Adam, you answered my next question. I was thinking about running a pa= rtition on my desktop (mac) of the latest Ubuntu to get a feel. Or simpl= y booting from disc to test out the water. > > I think the thing that's always been intimidating is the lack of GUI. = I've been managing a Windows 2003 VPS and a Snow Leopard Server for a whi= le. Its really convenient to have that (interface) when getting things u= p and running quickly, but I realized that it really becomes a crutch: wh= en something goes wrong that the GUI can't fix, I really don't know what = to do. And that's the thing I want to remedy. > > I've always opted out of admin tools like Plesk, parallels, etc. I als= o like to "do it myself". Do you see any intrinsic value to some of the = Linux tools like Webmin, or do they also become crutches after a while? > > Thanks again! > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Adam OConnor wrote: > >> Hey Aaron - >> >> Many will probably debate this but IMO if your work/time is dedicated = to the web then you're better off using Linux as your primary OS - for bo= th dev and hosting. >> >> When I used to use windows it seemed like I spent too much time findin= g a windows version of what many were doing with Linux. >> >> You should toss a copy of Ubuntu server (w/o GUI) on a spare machine t= o play with. Also - using Ubuntu as your desktop/dev (w/GUI) machine may= help you become familiar with it quicker. >> >> Here's a book I've found quite handy: >> http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Phrasebook-Scott-Granneman/dp/0672328380 >> >> Best, >> Adam O >> >> >> >> On 7/28/11 1:55 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>>> What flavor (distro) do you like to use with WebDNA >>> They are all good. I've been replacing Apache with Lighttpd >>> and using WebDNA 7 on the last few VPS's I've bought, and my >>> clients and I have been very happy with the results. >>> >>> >>>> Are there any advantages to any particular or is it >>>> purely a matter of taste? >>> Mostly a matter of taste. >>> >>> Although if you want to use a good free tool such as Webmin >>> to administer the server remotely via HTTP then you should >>> probably consider CentOS since Webmin was designed for it. >>> Having said this, Webmin works with other Linux OS's too. >>> It's just that some OS's such as CentOS have more Webmin >>> modules available. >>> >>> I used to use CentOS when I used Webmin, but I don't need >>> Webmin any more so now I use Debian. Debian is the basis of >>> Ubuntu -- the most popular desktop Linux OS -- so now I'm >>> using the same basic system on my servers and my desktop >>> boxes. This makes things simpler and easier for me to >>> remember, and I have never seen any performance difference no >>> matter what Linux OS I use. >>> >>> >>>> What is a preferred Linux VPS host for hosting DNA >>>> sites? >>> I've used several and would not recommend any of them over >>> any others. As soon as someone thinks they found the >>> perfect VPS host someone else will have tons of problems >>> with the very same host. They all have problems once in a >>> while, some more than others. >>> >>> Look at the reviews here for the best info I have found on >>> the web regarding the performance of different VPS hosts: >>> >>> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3D103 >>> >>> By the way, there are some super-cheap VPS hosts who >>> consistently underprice their services in order to get >>> thousands of new subscribers, then they sell out to bigger >>> hosts who change their prices and terms, delete accounts >>> with no reason, etc. It feels kind of like the "wild west" >>> in the VPS industry sometimes. >>> >>> Here are two references to get you started: >>> >>> http://www.lowendbox.com/ >>> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3D104 >>> >>> Be careful to note the difference between managed and >>> unmanaged. I have never used managed because I prefer to >>> "do it myself", and if you intend to learn Linux the last >>> thing you want is a managed VPS. >>> >>> >>>> Where or what is a good >>>> resource to get a crash course in beginning with Linux? >>> In my opinion the best way to learn to run your own Linux >>> VPS is to "just do it". >>> >>> Get a super-cheap unmanaged VPS that you can pay for on a >>> monthly (not yearly) basis and get started immediately. Do >>> not put any important websites on this server yet, just use >>> it as a "teaching server" -- to teach yourself how to run >>> it. Then you can learn everything gradually, without >>> creating any emergencies for yourself or your clients. >>> >>> Just google what you don't know whenever you have a question >>> or problem and you should be fine ... :) >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Kenneth Grome >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list. >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list. >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list. > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >
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