Re: [WebDNA] jumping on the linux train
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texte = Oops - hit wrong button :-) Hey if you're on OSX then most if not all those console commands will=20 work on Linux. As Grant spoke of - using a virtual tool will help you=20 as well - I use Virtual Box on OSX to use Windows for testing. Anyhow have fun! Best, Adam O On 7/28/11 3:05 PM, Adam OConnor wrote: > > > On 7/28/11 2:59 PM, aaronmichaelmusic@gmail.com wrote: >> Ken, Adam=85you guys rock, thanks a lot! >> >> Adam, you answered my next question. I was thinking about running a=20 >> partition on my desktop (mac) of the latest Ubuntu to get a feel. Or=20 >> simply booting from disc to test out the water. >> >> I think the thing that's always been intimidating is the lack of=20 >> GUI. I've been managing a Windows 2003 VPS and a Snow Leopard Server=20 >> for a while. Its really convenient to have that (interface) when=20 >> getting things up and running quickly, but I realized that it really=20 >> becomes a crutch: when something goes wrong that the GUI can't fix, I=20 >> really don't know what to do. And that's the thing I want to remedy. >> >> I've always opted out of admin tools like Plesk, parallels, etc. I=20 >> also like to "do it myself". Do you see any intrinsic value to some=20 >> of the Linux tools like Webmin, or do they also become crutches after=20 >> a while? >> >> Thanks again! >> >> On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Adam OConnor wrote: >> >>> Hey Aaron - >>> >>> Many will probably debate this but IMO if your work/time is=20 >>> dedicated to the web then you're better off using Linux as your=20 >>> primary OS - for both dev and hosting. >>> >>> When I used to use windows it seemed like I spent too much time=20 >>> finding a windows version of what many were doing with Linux. >>> >>> You should toss a copy of Ubuntu server (w/o GUI) on a spare machine=20 >>> to play with. Also - using Ubuntu as your desktop/dev (w/GUI)=20 >>> machine may help you become familiar with it quicker. >>> >>> Here's a book I've found quite handy: >>> http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Phrasebook-Scott-Granneman/dp/0672328380 >>> >>> Best, >>> Adam O >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/28/11 1:55 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>>>> What flavor (distro) do you like to use with WebDNA >>>> They are all good. I've been replacing Apache with Lighttpd >>>> and using WebDNA 7 on the last few VPS's I've bought, and my >>>> clients and I have been very happy with the results. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Are there any advantages to any particular or is it >>>>> purely a matter of taste? >>>> Mostly a matter of taste. >>>> >>>> Although if you want to use a good free tool such as Webmin >>>> to administer the server remotely via HTTP then you should >>>> probably consider CentOS since Webmin was designed for it. >>>> Having said this, Webmin works with other Linux OS's too. >>>> It's just that some OS's such as CentOS have more Webmin >>>> modules available. >>>> >>>> I used to use CentOS when I used Webmin, but I don't need >>>> Webmin any more so now I use Debian. Debian is the basis of >>>> Ubuntu -- the most popular desktop Linux OS -- so now I'm >>>> using the same basic system on my servers and my desktop >>>> boxes. This makes things simpler and easier for me to >>>> remember, and I have never seen any performance difference no >>>> matter what Linux OS I use. >>>> >>>> >>>>> What is a preferred Linux VPS host for hosting DNA >>>>> sites? >>>> I've used several and would not recommend any of them over >>>> any others. As soon as someone thinks they found the >>>> perfect VPS host someone else will have tons of problems >>>> with the very same host. They all have problems once in a >>>> while, some more than others. >>>> >>>> Look at the reviews here for the best info I have found on >>>> the web regarding the performance of different VPS hosts: >>>> >>>> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3D103 >>>> >>>> By the way, there are some super-cheap VPS hosts who >>>> consistently underprice their services in order to get >>>> thousands of new subscribers, then they sell out to bigger >>>> hosts who change their prices and terms, delete accounts >>>> with no reason, etc. It feels kind of like the "wild west" >>>> in the VPS industry sometimes. >>>> >>>> Here are two references to get you started: >>>> >>>> http://www.lowendbox.com/ >>>> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3D104 >>>> >>>> Be careful to note the difference between managed and >>>> unmanaged. I have never used managed because I prefer to >>>> "do it myself", and if you intend to learn Linux the last >>>> thing you want is a managed VPS. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Where or what is a good >>>>> resource to get a crash course in beginning with Linux? >>>> In my opinion the best way to learn to run your own Linux >>>> VPS is to "just do it". >>>> >>>> Get a super-cheap unmanaged VPS that you can pay for on a >>>> monthly (not yearly) basis and get started immediately. Do >>>> not put any important websites on this server yet, just use >>>> it as a "teaching server" -- to teach yourself how to run >>>> it. Then you can learn everything gradually, without >>>> creating any emergencies for yourself or your clients. >>>> >>>> Just google what you don't know whenever you have a question >>>> or problem and you should be fine ... :) >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Kenneth Grome >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list
. >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list. >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list. >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >
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Oops - hit wrong button :-) Hey if you're on OSX then most if not all those console commands will=20 work on Linux. As Grant spoke of - using a virtual tool will help you=20 as well - I use Virtual Box on OSX to use Windows for testing. Anyhow have fun! Best, Adam O On 7/28/11 3:05 PM, Adam OConnor wrote: > > > On 7/28/11 2:59 PM, aaronmichaelmusic@gmail.com wrote: >> Ken, Adam=85you guys rock, thanks a lot! >> >> Adam, you answered my next question. I was thinking about running a=20 >> partition on my desktop (mac) of the latest Ubuntu to get a feel. Or=20 >> simply booting from disc to test out the water. >> >> I think the thing that's always been intimidating is the lack of=20 >> GUI. I've been managing a Windows 2003 VPS and a Snow Leopard Server=20 >> for a while. Its really convenient to have that (interface) when=20 >> getting things up and running quickly, but I realized that it really=20 >> becomes a crutch: when something goes wrong that the GUI can't fix, I=20 >> really don't know what to do. And that's the thing I want to remedy. >> >> I've always opted out of admin tools like Plesk, parallels, etc. I=20 >> also like to "do it myself". Do you see any intrinsic value to some=20 >> of the Linux tools like Webmin, or do they also become crutches after=20 >> a while? >> >> Thanks again! >> >> On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Adam OConnor wrote: >> >>> Hey Aaron - >>> >>> Many will probably debate this but IMO if your work/time is=20 >>> dedicated to the web then you're better off using Linux as your=20 >>> primary OS - for both dev and hosting. >>> >>> When I used to use windows it seemed like I spent too much time=20 >>> finding a windows version of what many were doing with Linux. >>> >>> You should toss a copy of Ubuntu server (w/o GUI) on a spare machine=20 >>> to play with. Also - using Ubuntu as your desktop/dev (w/GUI)=20 >>> machine may help you become familiar with it quicker. >>> >>> Here's a book I've found quite handy: >>> http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Phrasebook-Scott-Granneman/dp/0672328380 >>> >>> Best, >>> Adam O >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/28/11 1:55 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>>>> What flavor (distro) do you like to use with WebDNA >>>> They are all good. I've been replacing Apache with Lighttpd >>>> and using WebDNA 7 on the last few VPS's I've bought, and my >>>> clients and I have been very happy with the results. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Are there any advantages to any particular or is it >>>>> purely a matter of taste? >>>> Mostly a matter of taste. >>>> >>>> Although if you want to use a good free tool such as Webmin >>>> to administer the server remotely via HTTP then you should >>>> probably consider CentOS since Webmin was designed for it. >>>> Having said this, Webmin works with other Linux OS's too. >>>> It's just that some OS's such as CentOS have more Webmin >>>> modules available. >>>> >>>> I used to use CentOS when I used Webmin, but I don't need >>>> Webmin any more so now I use Debian. Debian is the basis of >>>> Ubuntu -- the most popular desktop Linux OS -- so now I'm >>>> using the same basic system on my servers and my desktop >>>> boxes. This makes things simpler and easier for me to >>>> remember, and I have never seen any performance difference no >>>> matter what Linux OS I use. >>>> >>>> >>>>> What is a preferred Linux VPS host for hosting DNA >>>>> sites? >>>> I've used several and would not recommend any of them over >>>> any others. As soon as someone thinks they found the >>>> perfect VPS host someone else will have tons of problems >>>> with the very same host. They all have problems once in a >>>> while, some more than others. >>>> >>>> Look at the reviews here for the best info I have found on >>>> the web regarding the performance of different VPS hosts: >>>> >>>> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3D103 >>>> >>>> By the way, there are some super-cheap VPS hosts who >>>> consistently underprice their services in order to get >>>> thousands of new subscribers, then they sell out to bigger >>>> hosts who change their prices and terms, delete accounts >>>> with no reason, etc. It feels kind of like the "wild west" >>>> in the VPS industry sometimes. >>>> >>>> Here are two references to get you started: >>>> >>>> http://www.lowendbox.com/ >>>> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3D104 >>>> >>>> Be careful to note the difference between managed and >>>> unmanaged. I have never used managed because I prefer to >>>> "do it myself", and if you intend to learn Linux the last >>>> thing you want is a managed VPS. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Where or what is a good >>>>> resource to get a crash course in beginning with Linux? >>>> In my opinion the best way to learn to run your own Linux >>>> VPS is to "just do it". >>>> >>>> Get a super-cheap unmanaged VPS that you can pay for on a >>>> monthly (not yearly) basis and get started immediately. Do >>>> not put any important websites on this server yet, just use >>>> it as a "teaching server" -- to teach yourself how to run >>>> it. Then you can learn everything gradually, without >>>> creating any emergencies for yourself or your clients. >>>> >>>> Just google what you don't know whenever you have a question >>>> or problem and you should be fine ... :) >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Kenneth Grome >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list. >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list. >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list. >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >
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