Re: [WebDNA] How to set up new hosting

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texte = This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020301080907040906070705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There seems to be is a business opportunity for someone in the community or webDNA company to be partnered with or create at least one hosting service that will setup servers or VPS for users, or provide Images or installers, and offer simple hosting backup plans at a reasonable cost. Jym On 11/25/2013 7:45 AM, Donovan Brooke wrote: > Hi Stephen, > I miss the days when I was solely a WebDNA developer and had the time > to learn from / help the other WebDNA'ers on the talk list. Now I have > quite a few things on my plate, which keep me pretty focused. > > The good news here for someone that is new to linux ( and even WebDNA > ) is that the installers these days help take the edge off the > learning curve that is required to be a server owner / administrator. > For example, the Ubuntu 12.04 installer (one of the supported OS's for > WebDNA), allows you to install a basic LAMP setup right from the > installer without the need to install separate packages. This makes it > pretty easy to install a server in a fairly short time: > > 1.) Install OS with LAMP Stack (be sure to note down all your passwords) > 2.) do your server updates/upgrades (I most often use 'aptitude'): > 'sudo aptitude update' > 'sudo aptitude safe-upgrade' > 3.) Install WebDNA > 4.) Configure your sites with Apache > > Some references you will need are the Ubuntu server guide, and the > Apache2 docs.. (which both can be found on the WWW) > > I personally enjoy the learning experience of being a server owner / > administrator... but not everyone does. Some people prefer to purchase > a "Managed VPS", which usually offers some resources for server > administration help. > > PLESK is not needed to serve websites, but it is a value if you want a > lot of functionality available from a single GUI and don't mind paying > for it. WebDNA can be configured to work with PLESK, but it might > require that you join the PLESK forums and learn a bit about which > config files to configure. I personally choose to install applications > via the package manager and haven't needed the use of PLESK. > > Which WebDNA product to install is up to the server owner. > > WebDNA FastCGI offers process isolation and has the potential to allow > a limited scope of WebDNA; only installing WebDNA per each single > apache vhost, for example. > > WebDNA Server offers the ability to install a single WebDNA resource > for an entire server.. allowing one administration interface. > > Both of these latest products are still currently in beta mode, but > mostly because of final needed work to be done to the installers and > readme files. > > There is no getting around the learning curve unfortunately. I like to > say that setting up a good server yourself takes 1 day and 1 year. > This is because it can take a year to learn the linux OS and best > practices of being a server owner/operator. However, I would always > encourage starting down that path. It's kind of like riding a bike... > once you learn, you don't easily forget. > > Hope that helps. > > Donovan > > > >> --- Original message --- >> *Subject:* [WebDNA] How to set up new hosting >> *From:* Stephen Braun >> *To:* talk@webdna.us >> *Date:* Monday, 25/11/2013 8:25 AM >> >> Hi Everyone, >> I have seven customers using WebDNA on a shared server that I don’t >> own, or have access to. >> >> I need some advice on how to set-up a VPS server to host several >> domains that use WebDNA. >> I would also like to add several more customers/domains in the next year. >> I’ve been working on this for a few months now, and I’m not getting >> anywhere, and I could use some input. >> >> I’m a newbie to hosting, so please be kind. I don’t know many of the >> app names, or what they do.I always find someone using a new acronym >> that I’ve never heard of. >> >> Here is what I have been advise so far, Buy a VPS package that has >> the following: >> >> - Ubuntu 12.04 LTS OS (64 Bit ) >> - root access >> - ssh access >> - ability to install Apache2 >> - Plesk Panel control panel >> >> Then WebDNA can be installed and configured. I was hoping to hire >> Donovan, or someone to actually do this install for me. >> >> I’m being warned that a problem may exist between the Plesk cp and >> WebDNA 6.x config files. >> Will Plesk overwrite WebDNA’s config settings when you use this >> control panel to add domains, or possibly when you use the control >> panel to restart Apache? >> >> I’m just beginning to grasp these concepts, so it would be great to >> know more about this before I spend any money on it. >> >> Here’s another thing that I don’t know, Should I plan on buying a >> separate copy of WebDNA for each of my clients? >> >> Thanks for any input on these matters. >> Steve Braun >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > > --------------------------------------------------------- This message > is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To > unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: > http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: > support@webdna.us -- Jym Duane - CTO - Purpose Media Creating Your Success Story Marketing : Television - Internet -Print Phone: (877) 443-1323 Email: jym@purposemedia.com Web: www.purposemedia.com Oregon - www.GuideToOregon.com PO Box 1725, Jacksonville, OR 97530 California - www.OrangeCounty.net PO Box 2025, Capistrano Beach, CA 92624 --------------020301080907040906070705 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There seems to be is a business opportunity for someone in the community or webDNA company to be partnered with or create at least one hosting service that will setup servers or VPS for users, or provide Images or installers, and offer simple hosting  backup plans at a reasonable cost.

Jym


On 11/25/2013 7:45 AM, Donovan Brooke wrote:
Hi Stephen,
I miss the days when I was solely a WebDNA developer and had the time to learn from / help the other WebDNA'ers on the talk list. Now I have quite a few things on my plate, which keep me pretty focused.

The good news here for someone that is new to linux ( and even WebDNA ) is that the installers these days help take the edge off the learning curve that is required to be a server owner / administrator. For example, the Ubuntu 12.04 installer (one of the supported OS's for WebDNA), allows you to install a basic LAMP setup right from the installer without the need to install separate packages. This makes it pretty easy to install a server in a fairly short time:

1.) Install OS with LAMP Stack (be sure to note down all your passwords)
2.) do your server updates/upgrades (I most often use 'aptitude'):
'sudo aptitude update'
'sudo aptitude safe-upgrade'
3.) Install WebDNA
4.) Configure your sites with Apache

Some references you will need are the Ubuntu server guide, and the Apache2 docs.. (which both can be found on the WWW)

I personally enjoy the learning experience of being a server owner / administrator... but not everyone does. Some people prefer to purchase a "Managed VPS", which usually offers some resources for server administration help.

PLESK is not needed to serve websites, but it is a value if you want a lot of functionality available from a single GUI and don't mind paying for it. WebDNA can be configured to work with PLESK, but it might require that you join the PLESK forums and learn a bit about which config files to configure. I personally choose to install applications via the package manager and haven't needed the use of PLESK.

Which WebDNA product to install is up to the server owner.

WebDNA FastCGI offers process isolation and has the potential to allow a limited scope of WebDNA; only installing WebDNA per each single apache vhost, for example.

WebDNA Server offers the ability to install a single WebDNA resource for an entire server.. allowing one administration interface.

Both of these latest products are still currently in beta mode, but mostly because of final needed work to be done to the installers and readme files.

There is no getting around the learning curve unfortunately. I like to say that setting up a good server yourself takes 1 day and 1 year. This is because it can take a year to learn the linux OS and best practices of being a server owner/operator. However, I would always encourage starting down that path. It's kind of like riding a bike... once you learn, you don't easily forget.

Hope that helps.

Donovan



 
--- Original message ---
Subject: [WebDNA] How to set up new hosting
From: Stephen Braun <sbraun1@twcny.rr.com>
To: talk@webdna.us <talk@webdna.us>
Date: Monday, 25/11/2013 8:25 AM

Hi Everyone,
I have seven customers using WebDNA on a shared server that I don’t own, or have access to.

I need some advice on how to set-up a VPS server to host several domains that use WebDNA.
I would also like to add several more customers/domains in the next year.
I’ve been working on this for a few months now, and I’m not getting anywhere, and I could use some input.

I’m a newbie to hosting, so please be kind. I don’t know many of the app names, or what they do.I always find someone using a new acronym that I’ve never heard of.

Here is what I have been advise so far, Buy a VPS package that has the following:

- Ubuntu 12.04 LTS OS (64 Bit )
- root access
- ssh access
- ability to install Apache2
- Plesk Panel control panel

Then WebDNA can be installed and configured. I was hoping to hire Donovan, or someone to actually do this install for me.

I’m being warned that a problem may exist between the Plesk cp and WebDNA 6.x config files.
Will Plesk overwrite WebDNA’s config settings when you use this control panel to add domains, or possibly when you use the control panel to restart Apache?

I’m just beginning to grasp these concepts, so it would be great to know more about this before I spend any money on it.

Here’s another thing that I don’t know, Should I plan on buying a separate copy of WebDNA for each of my clients?

Thanks for any input on these matters.
Steve Braun

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  1. Re: [WebDNA] How to set up new hosting (Jym Duane 2013)
  2. Re: [WebDNA] How to set up new hosting (Stuart Tremain 2013)
  3. Re: [WebDNA] How to set up new hosting (Donovan Brooke 2013)
  4. [WebDNA] How to set up new hosting (Stephen Braun 2013)
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020301080907040906070705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There seems to be is a business opportunity for someone in the community or webDNA company to be partnered with or create at least one hosting service that will setup servers or VPS for users, or provide Images or installers, and offer simple hosting backup plans at a reasonable cost. Jym On 11/25/2013 7:45 AM, Donovan Brooke wrote: > Hi Stephen, > I miss the days when I was solely a WebDNA developer and had the time > to learn from / help the other WebDNA'ers on the Talk List. Now I have > quite a few things on my plate, which keep me pretty focused. > > The good news here for someone that is new to linux ( and even WebDNA > ) is that the installers these days help take the edge off the > learning curve that is required to be a server owner / administrator. > For example, the Ubuntu 12.04 installer (one of the supported OS's for > WebDNA), allows you to install a basic LAMP setup right from the > installer without the need to install separate packages. This makes it > pretty easy to install a server in a fairly short time: > > 1.) Install OS with LAMP Stack (be sure to note down all your passwords) > 2.) do your server updates/upgrades (I most often use 'aptitude'): > 'sudo aptitude update' > 'sudo aptitude safe-upgrade' > 3.) Install WebDNA > 4.) Configure your sites with Apache > > Some references you will need are the Ubuntu server guide, and the > Apache2 docs.. (which both can be found on the WWW) > > I personally enjoy the learning experience of being a server owner / > administrator... but not everyone does. Some people prefer to purchase > a "Managed VPS", which usually offers some resources for server > administration help. > > PLESK is not needed to serve websites, but it is a value if you want a > lot of functionality available from a single GUI and don't mind paying > for it. WebDNA can be configured to work with PLESK, but it might > require that you join the PLESK forums and learn a bit about which > config files to configure. I personally choose to install applications > via the package manager and haven't needed the use of PLESK. > > Which WebDNA product to install is up to the server owner. > > WebDNA FastCGI offers process isolation and has the potential to allow > a limited scope of WebDNA; only installing WebDNA per each single > apache vhost, for example. > > WebDNA Server offers the ability to install a single WebDNA resource > for an entire server.. allowing one administration interface. > > Both of these latest products are still currently in beta mode, but > mostly because of final needed work to be done to the installers and > readme files. > > There is no getting around the learning curve unfortunately. I like to > say that setting up a good server yourself takes 1 day and 1 year. > This is because it can take a year to learn the linux OS and best > practices of being a server owner/operator. However, I would always > encourage starting down that path. It's kind of like riding a bike... > once you learn, you don't easily forget. > > Hope that helps. > > Donovan > > > >> --- Original message --- >> *Subject:* [WebDNA] How to set up new hosting >> *From:* Stephen Braun >> *To:* talk@webdna.us >> *Date:* Monday, 25/11/2013 8:25 AM >> >> Hi Everyone, >> I have seven customers using WebDNA on a shared server that I don’t >> own, or have access to. >> >> I need some advice on how to set-up a VPS server to host several >> domains that use WebDNA. >> I would also like to add several more customers/domains in the next year. >> I’ve been working on this for a few months now, and I’m not getting >> anywhere, and I could use some input. >> >> I’m a newbie to hosting, so please be kind. I don’t know many of the >> app names, or what they do.I always find someone using a new acronym >> that I’ve never heard of. >> >> Here is what I have been advise so far, Buy a VPS package that has >> the following: >> >> - Ubuntu 12.04 LTS OS (64 Bit ) >> - root access >> - ssh access >> - ability to install Apache2 >> - Plesk Panel control panel >> >> Then WebDNA can be installed and configured. I was hoping to hire >> Donovan, or someone to actually do this install for me. >> >> I’m being warned that a problem may exist between the Plesk cp and >> WebDNA 6.x config files. >> Will Plesk overwrite WebDNA’s config settings when you use this >> control panel to add domains, or possibly when you use the control >> panel to restart Apache? >> >> I’m just beginning to grasp these concepts, so it would be great to >> know more about this before I spend any money on it. >> >> Here’s another thing that I don’t know, Should I plan on buying a >> separate copy of WebDNA for each of my clients? >> >> Thanks for any input on these matters. >> Steve Braun >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > > --------------------------------------------------------- This message > is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To > unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: > http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: > support@webdna.us -- Jym Duane - CTO - Purpose Media Creating Your Success Story Marketing : Television - Internet -Print Phone: (877) 443-1323 Email: jym@purposemedia.com Web: www.purposemedia.com Oregon - www.GuideToOregon.com PO Box 1725, Jacksonville, OR 97530 California - www.OrangeCounty.net PO Box 2025, Capistrano Beach, CA 92624 --------------020301080907040906070705 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There seems to be is a business opportunity for someone in the community or webDNA company to be partnered with or create at least one hosting service that will setup servers or VPS for users, or provide Images or installers, and offer simple hosting  backup plans at a reasonable cost.

Jym


On 11/25/2013 7:45 AM, Donovan Brooke wrote:
Hi Stephen,
I miss the days when I was solely a WebDNA developer and had the time to learn from / help the other WebDNA'ers on the Talk List. Now I have quite a few things on my plate, which keep me pretty focused.

The good news here for someone that is new to linux ( and even WebDNA ) is that the installers these days help take the edge off the learning curve that is required to be a server owner / administrator. For example, the Ubuntu 12.04 installer (one of the supported OS's for WebDNA), allows you to install a basic LAMP setup right from the installer without the need to install separate packages. This makes it pretty easy to install a server in a fairly short time:

1.) Install OS with LAMP Stack (be sure to note down all your passwords)
2.) do your server updates/upgrades (I most often use 'aptitude'):
'sudo aptitude update'
'sudo aptitude safe-upgrade'
3.) Install WebDNA
4.) Configure your sites with Apache

Some references you will need are the Ubuntu server guide, and the Apache2 docs.. (which both can be found on the WWW)

I personally enjoy the learning experience of being a server owner / administrator... but not everyone does. Some people prefer to purchase a "Managed VPS", which usually offers some resources for server administration help.

PLESK is not needed to serve websites, but it is a value if you want a lot of functionality available from a single GUI and don't mind paying for it. WebDNA can be configured to work with PLESK, but it might require that you join the PLESK forums and learn a bit about which config files to configure. I personally choose to install applications via the package manager and haven't needed the use of PLESK.

Which WebDNA product to install is up to the server owner.

WebDNA FastCGI offers process isolation and has the potential to allow a limited scope of WebDNA; only installing WebDNA per each single apache vhost, for example.

WebDNA Server offers the ability to install a single WebDNA resource for an entire server.. allowing one administration interface.

Both of these latest products are still currently in beta mode, but mostly because of final needed work to be done to the installers and readme files.

There is no getting around the learning curve unfortunately. I like to say that setting up a good server yourself takes 1 day and 1 year. This is because it can take a year to learn the linux OS and best practices of being a server owner/operator. However, I would always encourage starting down that path. It's kind of like riding a bike... once you learn, you don't easily forget.

Hope that helps.

Donovan



 
--- Original message ---
Subject: [WebDNA] How to set up new hosting
From: Stephen Braun <sbraun1@twcny.rr.com>
To: talk@webdna.us <talk@webdna.us>
Date: Monday, 25/11/2013 8:25 AM

Hi Everyone,
I have seven customers using WebDNA on a shared server that I don’t own, or have access to.

I need some advice on how to set-up a VPS server to host several domains that use WebDNA.
I would also like to add several more customers/domains in the next year.
I’ve been working on this for a few months now, and I’m not getting anywhere, and I could use some input.

I’m a newbie to hosting, so please be kind. I don’t know many of the app names, or what they do.I always find someone using a new acronym that I’ve never heard of.

Here is what I have been advise so far, Buy a VPS package that has the following:

- Ubuntu 12.04 LTS OS (64 Bit )
- root access
- ssh access
- ability to install Apache2
- Plesk Panel control panel

Then WebDNA can be installed and configured. I was hoping to hire Donovan, or someone to actually do this install for me.

I’m being warned that a problem may exist between the Plesk cp and WebDNA 6.x config files.
Will Plesk overwrite WebDNA’s config settings when you use this control panel to add domains, or possibly when you use the control panel to restart Apache?

I’m just beginning to grasp these concepts, so it would be great to know more about this before I spend any money on it.

Here’s another thing that I don’t know, Should I plan on buying a separate copy of WebDNA for each of my clients?

Thanks for any input on these matters.
Steve Braun

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