On 27 May 2020, at 4:51 am, talk@webdna.us= wrote:
=EF=BB=BFStuart,can=E2=80=99t seem to get any=thing to work=E2=80=A6
<=/div>Tried this: (didn=E2=80=99t work)=---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us--Apple-Mail-DDA6F012-94FB-476F-BBF8-D3D387B83CBE--. Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:root@=localhost:/etc/apache2/sites-enabled# cat default-ssl.webdna<VirtualHost *:443>&n=bsp; ServerAdmin webmaster@localhostDocumentRoot /var/www/html<Directory />Options =FollowSymLinks =; AllowOverride None= </Directory>&=lt;Directory /var/www/html/>&n=bsp; Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews E=xecCGI= AllowOverride None&=nbsp; Order allow,deny&nbs=p; allow from all</Directory>ScriptAlias /cgi=-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/<=;Directory "/usr/lib/cgi-bin">&=nbsp; AllowOverride None&n=bsp; Options +ExecCGI -Mult=iViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch =; Order allow,deny&=nbsp; Allow from all</Directory>=ErrorLog ${=APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log# Possible values include: debug, info, n=otice, warn, error, crit,#= alert, emerg.LogLevel war=n&n=bsp; CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/access.log combinedAddHandler fcgid-script .dna <IfModule mod_rewrite.c>=;RewriteEngine on<=div class=3D""> RewriteRule .* - [E=3DHTTP_AUTH=ORIZATION:%{HTTP:Authorization},L]</IfModule>FcgidWrapper /var/www/html/W=ebDNA/WebDNA.fcgi .dnaDefaultMaxClassProcessCount 1<=div class=3D""></VirtualHost>---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdna.usTired this, a=dding *:443 to the default.webdna file (didn=E2=80=99t work)<=br class=3D"">root@localhost:/etc/apache2/sites-available# c=at default.webdna<VirtualHost *:80 *:443>&=nbsp; ServerAdmin webmaster@localhostDocumentRoot /var/www/html<Directory />&nb=sp; Options FollowSymLinks&nbs=p; AllowOverride None=</Directory>&=nbsp; <Directory /var/www/html/>= Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiView=s ExecCGIA=llowOverride None= Order allow,deny= allow from all</Dir=ectory>S=criptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/= <Directory "/usr/lib/cgi-bin">&=nbsp; AllowOverride None= Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIf=OwnerMatch= Order allow,deny= Allow from all</Directory&=gt;ErrorLog= ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log&nbs=p; # Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error=, crit,# alert, emerg.&nbs=p; LogLevel warn&n=bsp; CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/access.log combinedAddHandler fcgid-script .dna<IfModule mod_rewrite.c> =; &nb=sp; RewriteEngine onRewrite=Rule .* - [E=3DHTTP_AUTHORIZATION:%{HTTP:Authorization},L]</=IfModule>FcgidWrapper /var/www/html/WebDNA/We=bDNA.fcgi .dnaDefaultMaxClassProcessCount 1</VirtualHost>=
Any suggestions welcome=E2=80=A6 not sur=e this should be so difficult=E2=80=A6T=hanks.Best success,=E2=80=94RupertRupert R=
<=blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On May 25, 2020, at 10:3=8 PM, talk@webdna.us wrote:=You may need to setup a virtual host for port 443, c=heck the one that you have for port 80 and ensure that you have the webdna h=andler, fcgi wrapper & the mod_rewrite.c documented in the file for your= port 443 site.---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.us=To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: h=ttp://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdn=a.us---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.us=To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: h=ttp://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdn=a.usOn 26 May 2020, at 12:25, talk@webdna.us wrote: HI Stuar=t,Admin page:http://Admin page is accessible and functional==https://[include file=3Dincs/admn_head.inc&WebDNA_Not_C=onfigured=3DStatistics] [ShowIf [lookup db=3D../Users.db&value=3DUPDATED=ONE&lookInField=3Duser&returnField=3Duser=C2=ACFound=3D]!UPDATEDONE]= [!]If you can see this text, then your web server is not con=figured properly, or you are not viewing this page through your web server. Y=ou can solve this problem yourself right now.
- Make sure your web server has a suffix mapping set up for ".dna" files to= use WebDNA. Refer to your web server documentation for details on how to se=t up a suffix mapping
- On a Windows web server, make sure y=ou shut down and then restart your web server software after installing WebD=NA, and make sure either WebDNA Standalone program is running (DBServer.exe)= or the WebCat Service is installed and running in the Services Control Pane=l
- In your web browser window, look at the "Location" text=box and make sure that the URL begins with "http://". If it begins with "fil=e://" then you are not using your web server, and you should proceed to step 4.
- Use your web browser to go to the URL http://www.<yo=ur server>.com/WebCatalog
Testpage.dnaTest of day and datehttps://
<=div class=3D"">[date %A, %B %d, %Y]=http://Test of day and date
Tuesday, May 26, 2020=Thanks,=E2=80=94Rupert R On May 25, 2020, at 8:22 PM, talk@webdna.us wrote:Hi Rupert---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.us=To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: h=ttp://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdn=a.usW=hat does your page display?---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.us=To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: h=ttp://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdn=a.usOn 26 May 2020, at 10:14, talk@webdna.us wrote:Hey All, =;Successful installed L=inode:WebDNA FCGI= 8.5.1ubuntu 18.04linuxapache 2.4 letsencrypt SSL certI can access (and update) the= Admin page using h=ttp://[servername]/WebDNA/Admin/ THIS WORKS!but when I use SSL: https://[servername]/anyfile.dna<=/a> or https://[servername]/WebDNA/Admin/ These DON'T work.&n=bsp;All other pag=es on site are served fine with https://I believe this is file/path issue=E2=80=A6 is t=his Apache or WebDNA which one?Advice or direction welcome. Thanks,=E2=80=94Rupert R
2743--Apple-Mail-DDA6F012-94FB-476F-BBF8-D3D387B83CBEContent-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableDid you restart Apache ?RegardsStuart TremainPharoah Lane SoftwareSuite 16, 20 Burlington StreetCrows Nest NSW 2065AUSTRALIA+612 8971 4431> On 27 May 2020, at 4:51 am, talk@webdna.us wrote:>=20> =EF=BB=BFStuart,=20>=20> can=E2=80=99t seem to get anything to work=E2=80=A6>=20> Tried this: (didn=E2=80=99t work)>=20> root@localhost:/etc/apache2/sites-enabled# cat default-ssl.webdna>
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2020) - Re: [WebDNA] SSL not working with WebDNA FCGI 8.5.1 (Rupert Ravens
2020) - Re: [WebDNA] SSL not working with WebDNA FCGI 8.5.1 (Stuart Tremain
2020) - Re: [WebDNA] SSL not working with WebDNA FCGI 8.5.1 (Rupert Ravens
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2020) > ServerAdmin webmaster@localhost>=20> DocumentRoot /var/www/html> =20>=20>=20>=20> Tired this, adding *:443 to the default.webdna file (didn=E2=80=99t work)>=20> root@localhost:/etc/apache2/sites-available# cat default.webdna>> Options FollowSymLinks> AllowOverride None> > > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews ExecCGI> AllowOverride None> Order allow,deny> allow from all> >=20> ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/> > AllowOverride None> Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch> Order allow,deny> Allow from all> >=20> ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log>=20> # Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit,=> # alert, emerg.> LogLevel warn>=20> CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/access.log combined>=20> AddHandler fcgid-script .dna>=20>> RewriteEngine on> RewriteRule .* - [E=3DHTTP_AUTHORIZATION:%{HTTP:Authorization=},L]> >=20> FcgidWrapper /var/www/html/WebDNA/WebDNA.fcgi .dna> DefaultMaxClassProcessCount 1>> ServerAdmin webmaster@localhost>=20> DocumentRoot /var/www/html> >=20>=20> Any suggestions welcome=E2=80=A6 not sure this should be so difficult=E2=80==A6>=20> Thanks.>=20> Best success,>=20> =E2=80=94Rupert>=20> Rupert R>=20>=20>=20>=20>> On May 25, 2020, at 10:38 PM, talk@webdna.us wrote:>>=20>> You may need to setup a virtual host for port 443, check the one that you= have for port 80 and ensure that you have the webdna handler, fcgi wrapper &= the mod_rewrite.c documented in the file for your port 443 site.>>=20>>=20>> Kind regards>>=20>> Stuart Tremain>> Pharoah Lane Software>> AUSTRALIA>> webdna@plsoftware.com.au>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>> On 26 May 2020, at 12:25, talk@webdna.us wrote:>>>=20>>> HI Stuart,=20>>>=20>>>=20>>> Admin page:=20>>>=20>>> http:// =20>>>=20>>> Admin page is accessible and functional>>>=20>>> https://>>>=20>>> [include file=3Dincs/admn_head.inc&WebDNA_Not_Configured=3DStatistics] [=ShowIf [lookup db=3D../Users.db&value=3DUPDATEDONE&lookInField=3Duser&return=Field=3Duser=C2=ACFound=3D]!UPDATEDONE] [!]>>> If you can see this text, then your web server is not configured properl=y, or you are not viewing this page through your web server. You can solve t=his problem yourself right now.>>>=20>>> Make sure your web server has a suffix mapping set up for ".dna" files t=o use WebDNA. Refer to your web server documentation for details on how to s=et up a suffix mapping>>> On a Windows web server, make sure you shut down and then restart your w=eb server software after installing WebDNA, and make sure either WebDNA Stan=dalone program is running (DBServer.exe) or the WebCat Service is installed a=nd running in the Services Control Panel>>> In your web browser window, look at the "Location" textbox and make sure= that the URL begins with "http://". If it begins with "file://" then you ar=e not using your web server, and you should proceed to step 4.>>> Use your web browser to go to the URL http://www.> Options FollowSymLinks> AllowOverride None> > > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews ExecCGI> AllowOverride None> Order allow,deny> allow from all> >=20> ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/> > AllowOverride None> Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch> Order allow,deny> Allow from all> >=20> ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log>=20> # Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit,=> # alert, emerg.> LogLevel warn>=20> CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/access.log combined>=20> AddHandler fcgid-script .dna>=20>> RewriteEngine on> RewriteRule .* - [E=3DHTTP_AUTHORIZATION:%{HTTP:Authorization=},L]> >=20> FcgidWrapper /var/www/html/WebDNA/WebDNA.fcgi .dna> DefaultMaxClassProcessCount 1>.com/WebCa=talog=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>> Testpage.dna>>>=20>>> https://>>>=20>>> Test of day and date>>> [date %A, %B %d, %Y] =20>>>=20>>>=20>>> http:// =20>>>=20>>> Test of day and date>>> Tuesday, May 26, 2020=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>> Thanks,>>>=20>>> =E2=80=94Rupert R>>>=20>>>> On May 25, 2020, at 8:22 PM, talk@webdna.us wrote:>>>>=20>>>> Hi Rupert>>>>=20>>>> What does your page display?>>>>=20>>>> Kind regards>>>>=20>>>> Stuart Tremain>>>> Pharoah Lane Software>>>> AUSTRALIA>>>> webdna@plsoftware.com.au>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>>> On 26 May 2020, at 10:14, talk@webdna.us wrote:>>>>>=20>>>>> Hey All,=20>>>>>=20>>>>> Successful installed Linode:>>>>>=20>>>>> WebDNA FCGI 8.5.1>>>>> ubuntu 18.04>>>>> linux>>>>> apache 2.4>>>>> letsencrypt SSL cert>>>>>=20>>>>> I can access (and update) the Admin page using http://[servername]/Web=DNA/Admin/ THIS WORKS!>>>>>=20>>>>> but when I use SSL: https://[servername]/anyfile.dna or https://[se=rvername]/WebDNA/Admin/ These DON'T work.=20>>>>>=20>>>>> All other pages on site are served fine with https://>>>>>=20>>>>> I believe this is file/path issue=E2=80=A6 is this Apache or WebDNA w=hich one?>>>>>=20>>>>> Advice or direction welcome.=20>>>>>=20>>>>> Thanks,=20>>>>>=20>>>>> =E2=80=94Rupert R>>>>>=20>>>>>=20>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This message= is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.u=s To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: http://www.webdn=a.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>>=20>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This message i=s sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us T=o unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: http://www.webdna.u=s/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This message i=s sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us T=o unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: http://www.webdna.u=s/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------- This message is= sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us T=o unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: http://www.webdna.u=s/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us>=20> --------------------------------------------------------- This message is s=ent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us To u=nsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: http://www.webdna.us/p=age.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us--Apple-Mail-DDA6F012-94FB-476F-BBF8-D3D387B83CBEContent-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableDid you restart Apache ? Re=gardsStuart TremainPharoah Lane SoftwareSuite 16, 20 Burlington StreetCro=ws Nest NSW 2065AUSTRALIA+612 8971 4431On 27 May 2020, at 4:51 am, talk@webdna.us= wrote:=EF=BB=BFStuart,can=E2=80=99t seem to get any=thing to work=E2=80=A6
<=/div>Tried this: (didn=E2=80=99t work)=---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us--Apple-Mail-DDA6F012-94FB-476F-BBF8-D3D387B83CBE--. Stuart Tremainroot@=localhost:/etc/apache2/sites-enabled# cat default-ssl.webdna<VirtualHost *:443>&n=bsp; ServerAdmin webmaster@localhostDocumentRoot /var/www/html<Directory />Options =FollowSymLinks =; AllowOverride None= </Directory>&=lt;Directory /var/www/html/>&n=bsp; Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews E=xecCGI= AllowOverride None&=nbsp; Order allow,deny&nbs=p; allow from all</Directory>ScriptAlias /cgi=-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/<=;Directory "/usr/lib/cgi-bin">&=nbsp; AllowOverride None&n=bsp; Options +ExecCGI -Mult=iViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch =; Order allow,deny&=nbsp; Allow from all</Directory>=ErrorLog ${=APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log# Possible values include: debug, info, n=otice, warn, error, crit,#= alert, emerg.LogLevel war=n&n=bsp; CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/access.log combinedAddHandler fcgid-script .dna <IfModule mod_rewrite.c>=;RewriteEngine on<=div class=3D""> RewriteRule .* - [E=3DHTTP_AUTH=ORIZATION:%{HTTP:Authorization},L]</IfModule>FcgidWrapper /var/www/html/W=ebDNA/WebDNA.fcgi .dnaDefaultMaxClassProcessCount 1<=div class=3D""></VirtualHost>---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.usTo unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdna.usTired this, a=dding *:443 to the default.webdna file (didn=E2=80=99t work)<=br class=3D"">root@localhost:/etc/apache2/sites-available# c=at default.webdna<VirtualHost *:80 *:443>&=nbsp; ServerAdmin webmaster@localhostDocumentRoot /var/www/html<Directory />&nb=sp; Options FollowSymLinks&nbs=p; AllowOverride None=</Directory>&=nbsp; <Directory /var/www/html/>= Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiView=s ExecCGIA=llowOverride None= Order allow,deny= allow from all</Dir=ectory>S=criptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/= <Directory "/usr/lib/cgi-bin">&=nbsp; AllowOverride None= Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIf=OwnerMatch= Order allow,deny= Allow from all</Directory&=gt;ErrorLog= ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log&nbs=p; # Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error=, crit,# alert, emerg.&nbs=p; LogLevel warn&n=bsp; CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/access.log combinedAddHandler fcgid-script .dna<IfModule mod_rewrite.c> =; &nb=sp; RewriteEngine onRewrite=Rule .* - [E=3DHTTP_AUTHORIZATION:%{HTTP:Authorization},L]</=IfModule>FcgidWrapper /var/www/html/WebDNA/We=bDNA.fcgi .dnaDefaultMaxClassProcessCount 1</VirtualHost>=
Any suggestions welcome=E2=80=A6 not sur=e this should be so difficult=E2=80=A6T=hanks.Best success,=E2=80=94RupertRupert R=
<=blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On May 25, 2020, at 10:3=8 PM, talk@webdna.us wrote:=You may need to setup a virtual host for port 443, c=heck the one that you have for port 80 and ensure that you have the webdna h=andler, fcgi wrapper & the mod_rewrite.c documented in the file for your= port 443 site.---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.us=To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: h=ttp://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdn=a.us---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.us=To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: h=ttp://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdn=a.usOn 26 May 2020, at 12:25, talk@webdna.us wrote: HI Stuar=t,Admin page:http://Admin page is accessible and functional==https://[include file=3Dincs/admn_head.inc&WebDNA_Not_C=onfigured=3DStatistics] [ShowIf [lookup db=3D../Users.db&value=3DUPDATED=ONE&lookInField=3Duser&returnField=3Duser=C2=ACFound=3D]!UPDATEDONE]= [!]If you can see this text, then your web server is not con=figured properly, or you are not viewing this page through your web server. Y=ou can solve this problem yourself right now.
- Make sure your web server has a suffix mapping set up for ".dna" files to= use WebDNA. Refer to your web server documentation for details on how to se=t up a suffix mapping
- On a Windows web server, make sure y=ou shut down and then restart your web server software after installing WebD=NA, and make sure either WebDNA Standalone program is running (DBServer.exe)= or the WebCat Service is installed and running in the Services Control Pane=l
- In your web browser window, look at the "Location" text=box and make sure that the URL begins with "http://". If it begins with "fil=e://" then you are not using your web server, and you should proceed to step 4.
- Use your web browser to go to the URL http://www.<yo=ur server>.com/WebCatalog
Testpage.dnaTest of day and datehttps://
<=div class=3D"">[date %A, %B %d, %Y]=http://Test of day and date
Tuesday, May 26, 2020=Thanks,=E2=80=94Rupert R On May 25, 2020, at 8:22 PM, talk@webdna.us wrote:Hi Rupert---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.us=To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: h=ttp://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdn=a.usW=hat does your page display?---------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list talk@webdna.us=To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.usarchives: h=ttp://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55Bug Reporting: support@webdn=a.usOn 26 May 2020, at 10:14, talk@webdna.us wrote:Hey All, =;Successful installed L=inode:WebDNA FCGI= 8.5.1ubuntu 18.04linuxapache 2.4 letsencrypt SSL certI can access (and update) the= Admin page using h=ttp://[servername]/WebDNA/Admin/ THIS WORKS!but when I use SSL: https://[servername]/anyfile.dna<=/a> or https://[servername]/WebDNA/Admin/ These DON'T work.&n=bsp;All other pag=es on site are served fine with https://I believe this is file/path issue=E2=80=A6 is t=his Apache or WebDNA which one?Advice or direction welcome. Thanks,=E2=80=94Rupert R
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