Re: The Guru and the Cyclops

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1998

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texte = The Mooseman has a few more comments after reading more of this thread.Keep in mind this an auto-biographical commenary and is not intended tosoil or impune all of the hard work or integrity of my friends (I hope) atPacific-Coast.I came to WebCatalog, not as much a programmer but as an ISP who waslooking for a quick commerce solution to run on my Mac servers.I have Perl, a pefectly good solution for the Unix based servers.I, unlike the old hands who started out with the first beta and grew into3.0, did nothave the background in what actually drove the software, that being WebDna.The message I got from the promos, advertising and Pacific-Coast sales team wasWEBCAT was a ready-made catalog storefront with minor customization,waiting to hit the web for my customers.I had Net CLoak and Net Forms running already and I was told by Dave insales, Grantand whovever else I spoke to, WebCat would replace them!So ok, Dave says just drop in a copy of General Store into the customersweb directoryand make a few changes and your off and running. WOW! Cha-ching! Sale made!I dropped the first store in, set the users name and password.... all of asudden I find that useris now a Super-User in the admin sense and has total control over WebCat!Security breach!Ok the guys, Grant especially, were great and we started a work around somy users couldonly administer their store. Now my eyes were opening to what was andwhat was notthere for us plug and play feature buyers. Fine, now we move on.Next, Oh you want sizes and colors to sell in your store? Go read themanual, study thetalk-list, email new helpful friends, contact tech support. The learningcurve just gotbigger.Ok, now I see what they mean, this WebCat will do a lot with a littlestudy, innovation ,and practice. Hey I think I can do this! Heck SuperCard stacks were abreeze for me, Perlmodification came pretty easy. I think I'll convert one of my Perl scriptsoverto run on my Mac and use WebCat. I got inspired studying the manual basics.Fine. I have this sports specific classified ad site and I think I haveit allready to publish over to the Mac and WebCat. But now I find, I can't letthe ad users add ormodify their ads from a user list because the [append] and [replace]commands have to be protected and authenticated through WebCats adminpassword scheme and my threeweeks worth of work is on the floor.Working through the transformation was not without questions, Grant, againis atrue gentleman and I have grown to enjoy dealing with him.... he knows hisstuff andtransfers his knowledge very well. SO the little bugs I encountered werehandledreally well.... up to the time the password bomb was dropped.I ended up hiring Grant to finish the project because I spend all dayrunning myISP and doing support and sale for my customers and trying to de-bug whatI thought was to be plug and play in the WebCat arena all the rest of myspare time.Thats what prompted my original response to the video post. I amfrustrated thatwhat was explained to be so powerfully simple became a time consumingcyclops,stomping on time I didn't have to start with.But hey, I'll survive and thanks to everyone for their past and future help.Frederick Weber Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

Re: The Guru and the Cyclops (The Mooseman 1998)

The Mooseman has a few more comments after reading more of this thread.Keep in mind this an auto-biographical commenary and is not intended tosoil or impune all of the hard work or integrity of my friends (I hope) atPacific-Coast.I came to WebCatalog, not as much a programmer but as an ISP who waslooking for a quick commerce solution to run on my Mac servers.I have Perl, a pefectly good solution for the Unix based servers.I, unlike the old hands who started out with the first beta and grew into3.0, did nothave the background in what actually drove the software, that being WebDna.The message I got from the promos, advertising and Pacific-Coast sales team wasWEBCAT was a ready-made catalog storefront with minor customization,waiting to hit the web for my customers.I had Net CLoak and Net Forms running already and I was told by Dave insales, Grantand whovever else I spoke to, WebCat would replace them!So ok, Dave says just drop in a copy of General Store into the customersweb directoryand make a few changes and your off and running. WOW! Cha-ching! Sale made!I dropped the first store in, set the users name and password.... all of asudden I find that useris now a Super-User in the admin sense and has total control over WebCat!Security breach!Ok the guys, Grant especially, were great and we started a work around somy users couldonly administer their store. Now my eyes were opening to what was andwhat was notthere for us plug and play feature buyers. Fine, now we move on.Next, Oh you want sizes and colors to sell in your store? Go read themanual, study thetalk-list, email new helpful friends, contact tech support. The learningcurve just gotbigger.Ok, now I see what they mean, this WebCat will do a lot with a littlestudy, innovation ,and practice. Hey I think I can do this! Heck SuperCard stacks were abreeze for me, Perlmodification came pretty easy. I think I'll convert one of my Perl scriptsoverto run on my Mac and use WebCat. I got inspired studying the manual basics.Fine. I have this sports specific classified ad site and I think I haveit allready to publish over to the Mac and WebCat. But now I find, I can't letthe ad users add ormodify their ads from a user list because the [append] and [replace]commands have to be protected and authenticated through WebCats adminpassword scheme and my threeweeks worth of work is on the floor.Working through the transformation was not without questions, Grant, againis atrue gentleman and I have grown to enjoy dealing with him.... he knows hisstuff andtransfers his knowledge very well. SO the little bugs I encountered werehandledreally well.... up to the time the password bomb was dropped.I ended up hiring Grant to finish the project because I spend all dayrunning myISP and doing support and sale for my customers and trying to de-bug whatI thought was to be plug and play in the WebCat arena all the rest of myspare time.Thats what prompted my original response to the video post. I amfrustrated thatwhat was explained to be so powerfully simple became a time consumingcyclops,stomping on time I didn't have to start with.But hey, I'll survive and thanks to everyone for their past and future help.Frederick Weber The Mooseman

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Re: The Guru and the Cyclops

1998

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