Re: Search Engines

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2002


It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 43838
interpreted = N
texte = This method may provide clean URL's but you may be stabbing yourself in the back. Most spiders do NOT follow forms, only links accessed by .... etc. And most do not follow image maps either. Robots will, to a certain extent, follow dynamically created links, according to Google. If you want your pages accessible to robots, use hyperlinks, not forms and not image maps. Be careful on the amount of data and variables you use on pages you want robot accessible. I recommend that any information you want on search engines, you make accessible from you home page.-RobertGo to the following and read as much as you can, this is a good start.....http://www.google.com/webmasters/If you get picked up by google, you'll get picked up by a lot of others, including yahoo.-RobertDan Strong wrote:> Alan, > > First off, let me say that I am not an expert on this > subject (and I don't even play one on TV...) but I'd be > happy to share what I currently know and maybe some of the > other, more experienced Jedi's can chime in to fill in the > blanks... > > Nothing I can think of offhand is specifically related to > WC, but moreso to dynamic sites in general, like > minimizing the use of 'unfriendly' URLs > (www.yourdomain.com?variable1=whatever&variable2=ok) in > favor of passing variables through forms whenever > possible, like so: value=whatever>. > > A neat and clean little trick to this end is to make all > of your navigation form-based so you can pass variables > through them: > >
action=nextpage.html> > > >
> > But this, of course creates ugly grey buttons. However, > the use of styles can make them prettier, if you don't > mind buttons as navigation: > >
action=nextpage.html> > > style=font-family: arial,helvetica; color: #000000; > border: 1 solid #000000; background: #FFFFCC> >
> > Even prettier (in my opinion), is to use images as submit > 'buttons', and this can be done in such a way to look like > 'normal' navigation: > >
action=nextpage.html> > > src=../images/nav_button1.gif border=0> >
> > Style sheets & WC together can make solutions like this > fairly elegant and transparent once they're thought out... > > On the subject of dynamic content itself, I'm not totally > clear on this, and frankly I've given up thinking about it > in favor of using Google's AdWords Select and Overture to > drive targeted traffic to my (clients') sites rather than > rely solely on Search Engine rankings themselves, but > since Search Engines/Spiders feed on static body text just > be sure to have lots of relevant text on each page that > relates to the page's meta data, and try to repeat your > keywords, etc. throughout each page. Play with using > [variables] to make naming your ALT tags automatic & easy, > and above all, relevant to the page. > > After I build a site I like to hit each page with Keyword > Extractor to help optimize my keywords for each page. It's > somewhat time consuming, but worthwhile: > http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/network/keyex.htm > > I believe that WC Storebuilder's 'Spider-Food' function > thing pores through the products.db and then takes each > product's title/description and spits it out as a static > html page which has links to each product. Any dynamic > content you are concerned about, you might want to do this > with. > > And lastly, I can't stress enough the importance of a > Site-Map. Besides being helpful for your site users, it > helps tremendously with your Search Engine Listings. My > listings went through the roof after I built this page and > linked to it from the other pages in my site creating a > 'circle' http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com/sitemap.html > > Ok, I've rambled enough and stayed away from some work I > don't feel like doing :) but need to, so I'll leave you > with a few links and hopefully all of this will help. > > http://www.spiderfood.net/ > http://www.pandia.com/ > http://www.searchenginewatch.com/ > > -Dan > ------------------------------------------- > http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com > (208) 319-0137 | Toll-free p/f 877-561-1656 > > On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:09:51 > Alan White wrote: > >Hi > > > >I was wondering if anyone had advice as to how to go > >about making a WC site > >search engine friendly? I know that store builder comes > >with a feature for > >doing this but otherwise I was hoping others might have > >come up with > >solutions for custom built sites... > > > >Hope you can help... > > > >Alan > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- > >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > > >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > > >Web Archive of this list is at: > >http://search.smithmicro.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
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This method may provide clean URL's but you may be stabbing yourself in the back. Most spiders do NOT follow forms, only links accessed by .... etc. And most do not follow image maps either. Robots will, to a certain extent, follow dynamically created links, according to Google. If you want your pages accessible to robots, use hyperlinks, not forms and not image maps. Be careful on the amount of data and variables you use on pages you want robot accessible. I recommend that any information you want on search engines, you make accessible from you home page.-RobertGo to the following and read as much as you can, this is a good start.....http://www.google.com/webmasters/If you get picked up by google, you'll get picked up by a lot of others, including yahoo.-RobertDan Strong wrote:> Alan, > > First off, let me say that I am not an expert on this > subject (and I don't even play one on TV...) but I'd be > happy to share what I currently know and maybe some of the > other, more experienced Jedi's can chime in to fill in the > blanks... > > Nothing I can think of offhand is specifically related to > WC, but moreso to dynamic sites in general, like > minimizing the use of 'unfriendly' URLs > (www.yourdomain.com?variable1=whatever&variable2=ok) in > favor of passing variables through forms whenever > possible, like so: value=whatever>. > > A neat and clean little trick to this end is to make all > of your navigation form-based so you can pass variables > through them: > >
action=nextpage.html> > > >
> > But this, of course creates ugly grey buttons. However, > the use of styles can make them prettier, if you don't > mind buttons as navigation: > >
action=nextpage.html> > > style=font-family: arial,helvetica; color: #000000; > border: 1 solid #000000; background: #FFFFCC> >
> > Even prettier (in my opinion), is to use images as submit > 'buttons', and this can be done in such a way to look like > 'normal' navigation: > >
action=nextpage.html> > > src=../images/nav_button1.gif border=0> >
> > Style sheets & WC together can make solutions like this > fairly elegant and transparent once they're thought out... > > On the subject of dynamic content itself, I'm not totally > clear on this, and frankly I've given up thinking about it > in favor of using Google's AdWords Select and Overture to > drive targeted traffic to my (clients') sites rather than > rely solely on Search Engine rankings themselves, but > since Search Engines/Spiders feed on static body text just > be sure to have lots of relevant text on each page that > relates to the page's meta data, and try to repeat your > keywords, etc. throughout each page. Play with using > [variables] to make naming your ALT tags automatic & easy, > and above all, relevant to the page. > > After I build a site I like to hit each page with Keyword > Extractor to help optimize my keywords for each page. It's > somewhat time consuming, but worthwhile: > http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/network/keyex.htm > > I believe that WC Storebuilder's 'Spider-Food' function > thing pores through the products.db and then takes each > product's title/description and spits it out as a static > html page which has links to each product. Any dynamic > content you are concerned about, you might want to do this > with. > > And lastly, I can't stress enough the importance of a > Site-Map. Besides being helpful for your site users, it > helps tremendously with your Search Engine Listings. My > listings went through the roof after I built this page and > linked to it from the other pages in my site creating a > 'circle' http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com/sitemap.html > > Ok, I've rambled enough and stayed away from some work I > don't feel like doing :) but need to, so I'll leave you > with a few links and hopefully all of this will help. > > http://www.spiderfood.net/ > http://www.pandia.com/ > http://www.searchenginewatch.com/ > > -Dan > ------------------------------------------- > http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com > (208) 319-0137 | Toll-free p/f 877-561-1656 > > On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:09:51 > Alan White wrote: > >Hi > > > >I was wondering if anyone had advice as to how to go > >about making a WC site > >search engine friendly? I know that store builder comes > >with a feature for > >doing this but otherwise I was hoping others might have > >come up with > >solutions for custom built sites... > > > >Hope you can help... > > > >Alan > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- > >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > > >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > > >Web Archive of this list is at: > >http://search.smithmicro.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ Robert Wade

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