Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend'

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2003


It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 49330
interpreted = N
texte = Alex McCombie wrote:>On 4/8/03 1:04 PM, Dan Strong wrote: > > > >>That's all. Maybe there's no way to stop it, really. Maybe spamcop is the >>problem... >> >> >Yeah spamcop is the problem. I wont bore everyone here with the holy hell I >had to go through with them to get my system off their black list. > >Essentially it is ONE guy who started an experimental' system that has been >adopted by some isps. > Some? You can find spamcop filters for every major Email Server out there.>[snip] > >He avoids some legalities by not selling the software but encouraging >'donations' to the righteous cause of spam fighting. > >I too hate spam. I too spend great efforts to avoid anything on my network >being used for anything remotely resembling spam... But a spam regulatory >system that is subject to fraudulent reports of abuse (just fake a spam from >someone, including the headers ad report them) as the basis of their >criteria is flawed and irresponsible. No wonder everyone is suing them. > >Okay this got my blood pressure up ;-) reliving the 36 hour hell all over >again ;-) > >Alex >Too early for a drink? ;-) > Where are you at compared to GMT ;-)Actually, I have a slightly different perspective along with feelling the pain of those that have fell into their system.First, The systems that have done the most to fight spam are one man shops!... I was so pi**ed when we fell into osirusofts db (a couple years ago), but after *learning* about open relays, and fixing ours (we passed most of the checks such as ORDB etc. just not osirusofts) I came to respect the work that this one (controversial) person had done to lessen the ability for spammers.Now, spamcop... I recently started filtering using spamcops db as a test. I went from receiving about 100 pieces of spam per day to maybe 10 or 15. I have checked the error logs every day and have yet to find one invalid mail... (there are some that are difficult to tell if valid or not). After a week and half of using there filter I haven't received one notice from any of our approximately 50? active daily users that a client (or someone) has been rejected. the ORDB.org filtering picks up maybe 2 or 3 a day.I have heard the horror stories but have been suggested that it is not difficult to get out of there database... (one might have a different opinion?) So far the benefits far out way any negatives that I've heard about or seen.This is just my experience so far and I imagine it could change. Man I like not having to delete many emails that my local spam folder doesn't catch!Donovan> > > >Alex J McCombie New World Media >Chief Information Officer Drawer 607 >800/724.8973 Fair Haven, NY 13064 >Alex@NewWorldMedia.com http://OurClients.com > >Interface Designer WebDNA Programmer Database Designer > > > -- * * |\ /| |/========================================\| ||---------* DONOVAN D. BROOKE *----------|| ||Administrator of IT / Assc. Art Director|| || EPSEN HILLMER GRAPHICS || || 2000 California St. || || Omaha, NE 68132 || ||----------------------------------------|| || http://www.hgproforms.com/ || || http://www.ehg.net/ || |\========================================/| |/ \| * *------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
  1. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Sal D'anna 2003)
  2. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (John Peacock 2003)
  3. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Rob Marquardt 2003)
  4. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Donovan 2003)
  5. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Sal D'anna 2003)
  6. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Dan Strong 2003)
  7. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Alex McCombie 2003)
  8. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Kimberly D. Walls 2003)
  9. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Dan Strong 2003)
  10. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Dan Strong 2003)
  11. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Matthew Bohne 2003)
  12. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Dan Strong 2003)
  13. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Alex McCombie 2003)
  14. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Donovan 2003)
  15. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Alex McCombie 2003)
  16. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Dan Strong 2003)
  17. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Alex McCombie 2003)
  18. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Donovan 2003)
  19. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Dan Strong 2003)
  20. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Matthew A Perosi 2003)
  21. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Alex McCombie 2003)
  22. Re: [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (John Peacock 2003)
  23. [OT] 'Email this story to a friend' (Dan Strong 2003)
Alex McCombie wrote:>On 4/8/03 1:04 PM, Dan Strong wrote: > > > >>That's all. Maybe there's no way to stop it, really. Maybe spamcop is the >>problem... >> >> >Yeah spamcop is the problem. I wont bore everyone here with the holy hell I >had to go through with them to get my system off their black list. > >Essentially it is ONE guy who started an experimental' system that has been >adopted by some isps. > Some? You can find spamcop filters for every major Email Server out there.>[snip] > >He avoids some legalities by not selling the software but encouraging >'donations' to the righteous cause of spam fighting. > >I too hate spam. I too spend great efforts to avoid anything on my network >being used for anything remotely resembling spam... But a spam regulatory >system that is subject to fraudulent reports of abuse (just fake a spam from >someone, including the headers ad report them) as the basis of their >criteria is flawed and irresponsible. No wonder everyone is suing them. > >Okay this got my blood pressure up ;-) reliving the 36 hour hell all over >again ;-) > >Alex >Too early for a drink? ;-) > Where are you at compared to GMT ;-)Actually, I have a slightly different perspective along with feelling the pain of those that have fell into their system.First, The systems that have done the most to fight spam are one man shops!... I was so pi**ed when we fell into osirusofts db (a couple years ago), but after *learning* about open relays, and fixing ours (we passed most of the checks such as ORDB etc. just not osirusofts) I came to respect the work that this one (controversial) person had done to lessen the ability for spammers.Now, spamcop... I recently started filtering using spamcops db as a test. I went from receiving about 100 pieces of spam per day to maybe 10 or 15. I have checked the error logs every day and have yet to find one invalid mail... (there are some that are difficult to tell if valid or not). After a week and half of using there filter I haven't received one notice from any of our approximately 50? active daily users that a client (or someone) has been rejected. the ORDB.org filtering picks up maybe 2 or 3 a day.I have heard the horror stories but have been suggested that it is not difficult to get out of there database... (one might have a different opinion?) So far the benefits far out way any negatives that I've heard about or seen.This is just my experience so far and I imagine it could change. Man I like not having to delete many emails that my local spam folder doesn't catch!Donovan> > > >Alex J McCombie New World Media >Chief Information Officer Drawer 607 >800/724.8973 Fair Haven, NY 13064 >Alex@NewWorldMedia.com http://OurClients.com > >Interface Designer WebDNA Programmer Database Designer > > > -- * * |\ /| |/========================================\| ||---------* DONOVAN D. BROOKE *----------|| ||Administrator of IT / Assc. Art Director|| || EPSEN HILLMER GRAPHICS || || 2000 California St. || || Omaha, NE 68132 || ||----------------------------------------|| || http://www.hgproforms.com/ || || http://www.ehg.net/ || |\========================================/| |/ \| * *------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Donovan

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