Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro

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texte = Definitely look at PHP-MySQL first. No question. ------------------------------------------- On Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:36 AM, Kenneth Grome = wrote: >Thanks for this information. My hosting service just installed a new=20 >LINUX/Apache server and offers SQL (I'm not sure if it's MySQL or=20 >something else), PHP, ColdFusion, ASP, WebDNA, and a handful of=20 >others. > >He likes ColdFusion because of stability and seamless integration=20 >with (someone's version of) SQL but other programmer colleagues have=20 >strongly recommend PHP over ColdFusion, although I'm not sure why so=20 >I will have to check with them again, unless someone here has=20 >experience with both and can suggest one over the other. > >I'm just trying to get a handle on this situation so I can have my=20 >sites rebuilt in something other than WebDNA before it actually=20 >becomes necessary ... > > > >>I have to say "yes" to the conversion question only because LAMP is=20 >>the devil I know. And, yes, PHP works seamlessly with MySQL -=20 >>absolutely. Don't know about the M$ version. >> >>On the hosting side, a LAMP site is easier and cheaper. ColdFusion=20 >>may be an option, I guess, if we hosted ourselves. >> >>We've never used WebDNA with any flavour of SQL, so I can't answer=20 >>that part. Anyone? >> >>--------------------------------- >> >>On Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:11 AM, Kenneth Grome=20 >> wrote: >>>Hi Andrew, >>> >>>If you had to stop using webdna would you convert everything to >>>LAMP? >>> >>>I heard from someone else that ColdFusion works seamlessly with SQL >>>... would you say that PHP also works properly with SQL? Is it >>>easier to make PHP work with SQL than making webdna work with >>>SQL? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I guess everyone here knows the advantages of WebDNA so I'll give >>>>the other side of the story. >>>> >>>>We've been using PHP for about a year and, while it hasn't got the >>>>speed-to-build or the speed-to-respond of WebDNA, it has a few >>>>advantages. >>>> >>>>One, there's a massive community of developers who donate their work >>>>for others to use. So, you want a Forum? There are at least 20 free >>>>ones out there for you to reskin (we built a forum in less than a >>>>day, using Phorum). Want a Search facility? Same thing. Check out >>>>some of the User Groups. >>>> >>>>Second, Dreamweaver is starting to provide some basic PHP tools >>>>(dunno about MX 2004 yet) and GoLive has a new integration with an >>>>IDE called Zend Studio. This will make PHP more accessible to more >>>>developers. >>>> >>>>Third, selling a LAMP solution is a no-brainer in most competitive=20 >>>>situations. >>>> >>>>That's about it, to be honest. Not a lot, but, unfortunately,=20 >>>>pretty powerful. >>>> >>>>Don't know squat about ASP, Cold Fusion or anything else. >>>> >>>>Oh, how we wish WebDNA were just half as big - and growing at just >>>>half the pace .... >>>> >>>>----------------------------------------- >>>> >>>>On Thursday, 20 November 2003 10:44 AM, Marc Kaiwi = wrote: >>>>>Personally I'm ordering some books on PHP ... I don't know a thing >>>>>about it but I have to admit that it looks like it has a lot of >>>>>potential, and fun too! >>>>> >>>>>... so, at the moment I couldn't compare the two. >>>>> >>>>>MK >>>>> >>>>>On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 03:38 PM, Jeff Logan >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Now that so many people posted about what platform they are = running >>>>>> WebDNA now would be a good time to post this question. >>>>>> >>>>>> To bolster the WebDNA community has anyone made a graph of = comparisons >>>>>> on why WebDNA is better then PHP, ASP or other languages? >>>>>> >>>>>> This would be a great resources to show clients and for Smith = Micro to >>>>>> have on their web site. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just a thought, >>>>>> Jeff Logan >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Signed: Marc Kaiwi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>>> >>>>>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>> >>>>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>Sincerely, >>>Kenneth Grome >>>------------------------------------------------------------- >>>Outsource your WebDNA programming for $18 an hour or less! >>>------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------- >>>This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to=20 >>> >>>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------- >>This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to=20 >> >>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > >--=20 > >Sincerely, >Kenneth Grome >------------------------------------------------------------- >Outsource your WebDNA programming for $18 an hour or less! >------------------------------------------------------------- > >------------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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  1. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Scott Anderson" 2003)
  2. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kenneth Grome 2003)
  3. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Lucas Rockwell 2003)
  4. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Scott Anderson" 2003)
  5. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Scott Anderson" 2003)
  6. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Glenn Busbin 2003)
  7. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kenneth Grome 2003)
  8. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Clint Davis 2003)
  9. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "flingo" 2003)
  10. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Nitai @ ComputerOil" 2003)
  11. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Alain Russell 2003)
  12. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Andrew Simpson" 2003)
  13. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Alain Russell 2003)
  14. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Nitai @ ComputerOil" 2003)
  15. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  16. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Nitai @ ComputerOil" 2003)
  17. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  18. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Alain Russell 2003)
  19. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  20. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Nitai @ ComputerOil" 2003)
  21. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  22. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Nitai @ ComputerOil" 2003)
  23. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Matthew A Perosi 2003)
  24. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Donovan Brooke 2003)
  25. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kalin Mintchev 2003)
  26. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Glenn Busbin 2003)
  27. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Andrew Simpson" 2003)
  28. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kenneth Grome 2003)
  29. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Stuart Tremain 2003)
  30. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( CN Stuff 2003)
  31. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Alain Russell 2003)
  32. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Scott Anderson" 2003)
  33. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  34. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  35. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Scott Anderson" 2003)
  36. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Andrew Simpson" 2003)
  37. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kenneth Grome 2003)
  38. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Phillip Bonesteele 2003)
  39. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kalin Mintchev 2003)
  40. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  41. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "WebDna @" 2003)
  42. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kalin Mintchev 2003)
  43. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Andrew Thompson 2003)
  44. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  45. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kenneth Grome 2003)
  46. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  47. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Andrew Simpson" 2003)
  48. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kalin Mintchev 2003)
  49. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jesse Proudman 2003)
  50. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Andrew Thompson 2003)
  51. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Kenneth Grome 2003)
  52. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Andrew Simpson" 2003)
  53. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Andrew Thompson 2003)
  54. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Andrew Simpson" 2003)
  55. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Andrew Thompson 2003)
  56. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( "Andrew Simpson" 2003)
  57. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Alain Russell 2003)
  58. Re: So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Marc Kaiwi 2003)
  59. So many lookers, hey smith micro ( Jeff Logan 2003)
Definitely look at PHP-MySQL first. No question. ------------------------------------------- On Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:36 AM, Kenneth Grome = wrote: >Thanks for this information. My hosting service just installed a new=20 >LINUX/Apache server and offers SQL (I'm not sure if it's MySQL or=20 >something else), PHP, ColdFusion, ASP, WebDNA, and a handful of=20 >others. > >He likes ColdFusion because of stability and seamless integration=20 >with (someone's version of) SQL but other programmer colleagues have=20 >strongly recommend PHP over ColdFusion, although I'm not sure why so=20 >I will have to check with them again, unless someone here has=20 >experience with both and can suggest one over the other. > >I'm just trying to get a handle on this situation so I can have my=20 >sites rebuilt in something other than WebDNA before it actually=20 >becomes necessary ... > > > >>I have to say "yes" to the conversion question only because LAMP is=20 >>the devil I know. And, yes, PHP works seamlessly with MySQL -=20 >>absolutely. Don't know about the M$ version. >> >>On the hosting side, a LAMP site is easier and cheaper. ColdFusion=20 >>may be an option, I guess, if we hosted ourselves. >> >>We've never used WebDNA with any flavour of SQL, so I can't answer=20 >>that part. Anyone? >> >>--------------------------------- >> >>On Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:11 AM, Kenneth Grome=20 >> wrote: >>>Hi Andrew, >>> >>>If you had to stop using webdna would you convert everything to >>>LAMP? >>> >>>I heard from someone else that ColdFusion works seamlessly with SQL >>>... would you say that PHP also works properly with SQL? Is it >>>easier to make PHP work with SQL than making webdna work with >>>SQL? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I guess everyone here knows the advantages of WebDNA so I'll give >>>>the other side of the story. >>>> >>>>We've been using PHP for about a year and, while it hasn't got the >>>>speed-to-build or the speed-to-respond of WebDNA, it has a few >>>>advantages. >>>> >>>>One, there's a massive community of developers who donate their work >>>>for others to use. So, you want a Forum? There are at least 20 free >>>>ones out there for you to reskin (we built a forum in less than a >>>>day, using Phorum). Want a Search facility? Same thing. Check out >>>>some of the User Groups. >>>> >>>>Second, Dreamweaver is starting to provide some basic PHP tools >>>>(dunno about MX 2004 yet) and GoLive has a new integration with an >>>>IDE called Zend Studio. This will make PHP more accessible to more >>>>developers. >>>> >>>>Third, selling a LAMP solution is a no-brainer in most competitive=20 >>>>situations. >>>> >>>>That's about it, to be honest. Not a lot, but, unfortunately,=20 >>>>pretty powerful. >>>> >>>>Don't know squat about ASP, Cold Fusion or anything else. >>>> >>>>Oh, how we wish WebDNA were just half as big - and growing at just >>>>half the pace .... >>>> >>>>----------------------------------------- >>>> >>>>On Thursday, 20 November 2003 10:44 AM, Marc Kaiwi = wrote: >>>>>Personally I'm ordering some books on PHP ... I don't know a thing >>>>>about it but I have to admit that it looks like it has a lot of >>>>>potential, and fun too! >>>>> >>>>>... so, at the moment I couldn't compare the two. >>>>> >>>>>MK >>>>> >>>>>On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 03:38 PM, Jeff Logan >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Now that so many people posted about what platform they are = running >>>>>> WebDNA now would be a good time to post this question. >>>>>> >>>>>> To bolster the WebDNA community has anyone made a graph of = comparisons >>>>>> on why WebDNA is better then PHP, ASP or other languages? >>>>>> >>>>>> This would be a great resources to show clients and for Smith = Micro to >>>>>> have on their web site. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just a thought, >>>>>> Jeff Logan >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Signed: Marc Kaiwi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>>> >>>>>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>> >>>>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>Sincerely, >>>Kenneth Grome >>>------------------------------------------------------------- >>>Outsource your WebDNA programming for $18 an hour or less! >>>------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------- >>>This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to=20 >>> >>>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------- >>This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >>To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to=20 >> >>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > >--=20 > >Sincerely, >Kenneth Grome >------------------------------------------------------------- >Outsource your WebDNA programming for $18 an hour or less! >------------------------------------------------------------- > >------------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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