Re: comparison to Lasso 6 or 7

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2004


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texte = Thanks Marc! And in fact thanks to all of you responding to my question. I hear what you're saying, but thankfully we won't have the problem of hosting because we will do that inhouse no matter what engine/coding environment we will decide on for the longer term. Although we have done the design part a few small websites, we have not yet really promoted that service. The simple reason is that when we are ready to jump in, we will only do it in one of 2 ways. Either we will do a design style guide of one or two pages only to set basic parameters of brand and logo usage and someone else does the rest, or we do the lot. Including setting up for hosting the solutions we build. Simple really. Anything in between is too hard to get working smoothly. Have seen too many examples of companies failing to make it work for them, and mainly because the clients usually don't care (and don't understand) how you build it and host it. They just want it to work (and be fast)! Cheers Chris BOOST SMP LTD PH: (09) 361 2263 FAX: (09) 361 2264 WEB: www.boost-smp.co.nz On Feb 27, 2004, at 7:08 AM, Marc Kaiwi wrote: > I don't have any experience with Lasso but I have a pretty good feel > for some of the advantages / disadvantages of a few other scripting > languages. > > I currently have a website (fairly large) that I've converted or > translated into three different scripting languages so far. I > originally scripted it entirely in Perl/GDBM back in 1999, then, more > recently I converted it over to WebDNA which didn't last too long due > to lack of hosting options, : c( and now I've completely converted it > over to PHP/MySQL. Couldn't be happier either. ... > > Don't get me wrong, I love WebDNA but here's my take on things: > > There are a few areas where WebDNA really shines ahead of the rest. > WebDNA has some cool built-in search functions, shopping cart features > and a few other bells and whistles that make it a real pleasure to > work with. It's easy to learn and development time is fast. But on the > other hand, some of the disadvantages for me (and I'm just speaking > from my own experience here) is that there are still too may "gotchas" > with WDNA. I can build a site in PHP and host it just about anywhere > in the world, every imaginable code snippet you could think of is > available, it's got global support and free upgrades for life, : c) > and it's extremely powerful, it's even got a host of graphics > functions which I love. And the list goes on and on. ... > > It really just allows me the freedom to do anything I want or need to > do with (and this is a big one) the assurance and peace of mind that > I can continue to develop in this package, (indefinitely if need be). > Without the constraints and headaches of continual fee-based > mini-upgrades and changes that can leave you behind with an old and > out-dated expensive scripting package ever too quickly. I enjoy the > freedom! > > That may sound a little harsh but the fact is that I still do like my > ol' WebDNA, and I still use it a lot but I've had to expand a little > to keep my head above water. > > Thanks, > > MK > > > > > > > On Feb 26, 2004, at 6:42 AM, Donovan Brooke wrote: > >> Chris, >> I'll join Alain in the song of WebDNA (though don't be scared >> if my voice cracks ;-). I've only walked the shallow waters >> of other Server-Side languages but >> then again, I haven't needed to take a plunge in any other >> but WebDNA. The initial cost is always an issue with most >> I'm sure, but to me it has been worth the cost (don't know how >> the cost matches up to lasso). >> >> WebDNA (eCommerce vers) is: >> scripting language >> form actions >> eMail generation >> File Manipulation >> (Unlimited) "Relational" Databases >> XML / SQL Compatible >> Automation ready >> Cross Compatible >> eCommerce Made easy >> Security (authentication) >> >> and more. >> It is a powerful tool to accompany a web server that gives an admin >> a lot to work with. It is fairly easy to learn depending how adept >> one is to programming. SMSI has proven to us that they want to >> continue the support for WebDNA, so even though we are relatively >> small, I think there is a good future for WebDNA. >> >> Cheers, >> Donovan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Chris Tschida wrote: >>> Hi List, >>> I have recently started to work with Lasso 7 and would like to get >>> any feedback from this list about any comparisons to WebDNA. If you >>> have experience in both, I would really appreciate your comments, >>> however brief. >>> I am at this stage still open to making a switch to another software >>> package since I have not gone down too far any tracks of large >>> development. I am not really too concerned with a $value comparison >>> but rather in features/security/ease/speed of building more complex >>> multi-user based custom web applications. >>> Thank you in advance for your time to comment >>> Cheers >>> Chris >>> BOOST SMP LTD >>> PH: (09) 361 2263 >>> FAX: (09) 361 2264 >>> WEB: www.boost-smp.co.nz >> >> >> -- >> =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o >> DONOVAN D. BROOKE Eucalyptus Design >> <-Web Development (specializing in eCommerce), -> >> <-Graphic Design, and Pre-Press Consultation -> >> >> ADDRESS:> Donovan Brooke >> DBA Eucalyptus Design >> N2862 Summerville Park Rd. >> Lodi, WI 53555 >> PH:> 1.608.592.3567 >> Web:> http://www.euca.us >> =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >> >> > Signed: Marc Kaiwi > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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  1. Re: comparison to Lasso 6 or 7 ( Chris Tschida 2004)
  2. Re: comparison to Lasso 6 or 7 ( Tim Robinson 2004)
  3. Re: comparison to Lasso 6 or 7 ( Glenn Busbin 2004)
  4. Re: comparison to Lasso 6 or 7 ( Rob 2004)
  5. Re: comparison to Lasso 6 or 7 ( "Phillip Bonesteele" 2004)
  6. Re: comparison to Lasso 6 or 7 ( Marc Kaiwi 2004)
  7. Re: comparison to Lasso 6 or 7 ( Donovan Brooke 2004)
  8. Re: comparison to Lasso 6 or 7 ( Chris Tschida 2004)
  9. Re: comparison to Lasso 6 or 7 ( Alain Russell 2004)
  10. Re: comparison to Lasso 6 or 7 ( Chris Tschida 2004)
  11. Re: comparison to Lasso 6 or 7 ( Alain Russell 2004)
  12. comparison to Lasso 6 or 7 ( Chris Tschida 2004)
Thanks Marc! And in fact thanks to all of you responding to my question. I hear what you're saying, but thankfully we won't have the problem of hosting because we will do that inhouse no matter what engine/coding environment we will decide on for the longer term. Although we have done the design part a few small websites, we have not yet really promoted that service. The simple reason is that when we are ready to jump in, we will only do it in one of 2 ways. Either we will do a design style guide of one or two pages only to set basic parameters of brand and logo usage and someone else does the rest, or we do the lot. Including setting up for hosting the solutions we build. Simple really. Anything in between is too hard to get working smoothly. Have seen too many examples of companies failing to make it work for them, and mainly because the clients usually don't care (and don't understand) how you build it and host it. They just want it to work (and be fast)! Cheers Chris BOOST SMP LTD PH: (09) 361 2263 FAX: (09) 361 2264 WEB: www.boost-smp.co.nz On Feb 27, 2004, at 7:08 AM, Marc Kaiwi wrote: > I don't have any experience with Lasso but I have a pretty good feel > for some of the advantages / disadvantages of a few other scripting > languages. > > I currently have a website (fairly large) that I've converted or > translated into three different scripting languages so far. I > originally scripted it entirely in Perl/GDBM back in 1999, then, more > recently I converted it over to WebDNA which didn't last too long due > to lack of hosting options, : c( and now I've completely converted it > over to PHP/MySQL. Couldn't be happier either. ... > > Don't get me wrong, I love WebDNA but here's my take on things: > > There are a few areas where WebDNA really shines ahead of the rest. > WebDNA has some cool built-in search functions, shopping cart features > and a few other bells and whistles that make it a real pleasure to > work with. It's easy to learn and development time is fast. But on the > other hand, some of the disadvantages for me (and I'm just speaking > from my own experience here) is that there are still too may "gotchas" > with WDNA. I can build a site in PHP and host it just about anywhere > in the world, every imaginable code snippet you could think of is > available, it's got global support and free upgrades for life, : c) > and it's extremely powerful, it's even got a host of graphics > functions which I love. And the list goes on and on. ... > > It really just allows me the freedom to do anything I want or need to > do with (and this is a big one) the assurance and peace of mind that > I can continue to develop in this package, (indefinitely if need be). > Without the constraints and headaches of continual fee-based > mini-upgrades and changes that can leave you behind with an old and > out-dated expensive scripting package ever too quickly. I enjoy the > freedom! > > That may sound a little harsh but the fact is that I still do like my > ol' WebDNA, and I still use it a lot but I've had to expand a little > to keep my head above water. > > Thanks, > > MK > > > > > > > On Feb 26, 2004, at 6:42 AM, Donovan Brooke wrote: > >> Chris, >> I'll join Alain in the song of WebDNA (though don't be scared >> if my voice cracks ;-). I've only walked the shallow waters >> of other Server-Side languages but >> then again, I haven't needed to take a plunge in any other >> but WebDNA. The initial cost is always an issue with most >> I'm sure, but to me it has been worth the cost (don't know how >> the cost matches up to lasso). >> >> WebDNA (eCommerce vers) is: >> scripting language >> form actions >> eMail generation >> File Manipulation >> (Unlimited) "Relational" Databases >> XML / SQL Compatible >> Automation ready >> Cross Compatible >> eCommerce Made easy >> Security (authentication) >> >> and more. >> It is a powerful tool to accompany a web server that gives an admin >> a lot to work with. It is fairly easy to learn depending how adept >> one is to programming. SMSI has proven to us that they want to >> continue the support for WebDNA, so even though we are relatively >> small, I think there is a good future for WebDNA. >> >> Cheers, >> Donovan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Chris Tschida wrote: >>> Hi List, >>> I have recently started to work with Lasso 7 and would like to get >>> any feedback from this list about any comparisons to WebDNA. If you >>> have experience in both, I would really appreciate your comments, >>> however brief. >>> I am at this stage still open to making a switch to another software >>> package since I have not gone down too far any tracks of large >>> development. I am not really too concerned with a $value comparison >>> but rather in features/security/ease/speed of building more complex >>> multi-user based custom web applications. >>> Thank you in advance for your time to comment >>> Cheers >>> Chris >>> BOOST SMP LTD >>> PH: (09) 361 2263 >>> FAX: (09) 361 2264 >>> WEB: www.boost-smp.co.nz >> >> >> -- >> =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o >> DONOVAN D. BROOKE Eucalyptus Design >> <-Web Development (specializing in eCommerce), -> >> <-Graphic Design, and Pre-Press Consultation -> >> >> ADDRESS:> Donovan Brooke >> DBA Eucalyptus Design >> N2862 Summerville Park Rd. >> Lodi, WI 53555 >> PH:> 1.608.592.3567 >> Web:> http://www.euca.us >> =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >> >> > Signed: Marc Kaiwi > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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