Re: A new perspective ...
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texte = Congratulations .. you just earned a permanent 'discard silently' rule on our mail server .. As I said before - take it off list .. no one cares On 07/05/2005, at 4:12 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >> From Charles: >> I think the deal here is that WebDNA has a smaller user base and >> you ARE on the DEVELOPER LIST here, so I think the difference is >> you are asking other developers to hire you, not end users with a >> need. >> > > >> From Jesse: >> I believe you would be more successful if we could see your >> "portfolio". But, if you choose not to, then that's your >> prerogative. I'm just trying to help you understand why I don't >> think your business model has been successful in this community. >> > > >> From Charles: >> When I enlist the help of other developers, I assume they are >> WORKING FOR ME and I would NEVER hire anyone without seeing what >> kind of code they write. >> > > > Thanks Charles and Jesse, > > I can see now why I have failed to sell my services to you guys, > and possibly to others on this list. > > I never anticipated that my programmer's code would be that > important to you, especially when you know I trained them myself, > and you know (or you should by now) I use very efficient coding > techniques, and you know that I personally guarantee their code to > work properly. > > Then again, you have every right to see my programmer's actual code > before you hire us to work for you -- I do not deny this! > > It's just too bad that I don't have any examples for you right > now. But what's really disappointing is that my suggestion to hire > us to do a small programming test for you is out of the question, > or out of your reach financially. I actually thought you might > look at it like this: > > "Let's see ... we charge $35 an hour, so if Ken's > programmers can do the same work for $10 an > hour that's a savings of $25 per hour, or $200 a day, > or $1000 a week, or $50,000 a year. Not a bad deal > if his guys can really do the work ... > > "So am I willing to risk 50 bucks to give his programmers > a 5 hour test? This $50 investment may pay me back > 1000 times over by the end of the year if I hire just ONE > of his programmers full time. So I guess it's worth a shot." > > Of course I was wrong in my other assumptions about the way people > think on this list, so I'm not surprised that I misinterpreted this > as well. But I will certainly consider having my programmers do > some coding examples some day. Just tell me what kind of examples > will satisfy you, thanks! > > :) > > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > www.kengrome.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list
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Congratulations .. you just earned a permanent 'discard silently' rule on our mail server .. As I said before - take it off list .. no one cares On 07/05/2005, at 4:12 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >> From Charles: >> I think the deal here is that WebDNA has a smaller user base and >> you ARE on the DEVELOPER LIST here, so I think the difference is >> you are asking other developers to hire you, not end users with a >> need. >> > > >> From Jesse: >> I believe you would be more successful if we could see your >> "portfolio". But, if you choose not to, then that's your >> prerogative. I'm just trying to help you understand why I don't >> think your business model has been successful in this community. >> > > >> From Charles: >> When I enlist the help of other developers, I assume they are >> WORKING FOR ME and I would NEVER hire anyone without seeing what >> kind of code they write. >> > > > Thanks Charles and Jesse, > > I can see now why I have failed to sell my services to you guys, > and possibly to others on this list. > > I never anticipated that my programmer's code would be that > important to you, especially when you know I trained them myself, > and you know (or you should by now) I use very efficient coding > techniques, and you know that I personally guarantee their code to > work properly. > > Then again, you have every right to see my programmer's actual code > before you hire us to work for you -- I do not deny this! > > It's just too bad that I don't have any examples for you right > now. But what's really disappointing is that my suggestion to hire > us to do a small programming test for you is out of the question, > or out of your reach financially. I actually thought you might > look at it like this: > > "Let's see ... we charge $35 an hour, so if Ken's > programmers can do the same work for $10 an > hour that's a savings of $25 per hour, or $200 a day, > or $1000 a week, or $50,000 a year. Not a bad deal > if his guys can really do the work ... > > "So am I willing to risk 50 bucks to give his programmers > a 5 hour test? This $50 investment may pay me back > 1000 times over by the end of the year if I hire just ONE > of his programmers full time. So I guess it's worth a shot." > > Of course I was wrong in my other assumptions about the way people > think on this list, so I'm not surprised that I misinterpreted this > as well. But I will certainly consider having my programmers do > some coding examples some day. Just tell me what kind of examples > will satisfy you, thanks! > > :) > > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > www.kengrome.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to digest@talk.smithmicro.com> > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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