Re: learning PHP

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2007

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texte = Why learn PHP? Pretty much all the things Jesse mentioned. It scares me to be making new sites in a language with no support, no upgrades, and a shrinking user base. Other than that, I love working in WebDNA. It doesn't take a Jeanne Dixon to see the future of WebDNA.Thanks everyone for their input on this.Terry>Message-Id: <59A345FE-E40C-4B99-8ADD-C7ED4D1C73E4@blueboxdev.com>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit>From: Jesse Proudman >Subject: Re: learning PHP>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:10:01 -0800>>>>> I'm not sure what you need to do, but PHP is just another >>scripting language. It might have a more robust set of commands >>and libraries and more programmers who know the language (and maybe >>those are the main deficiencies you are looking to overcome), but >>I'm not sure what advantage you would find in it versus WebDNA >>purely as a programming language.>>Any of number of reasons: Speed, Database connectivity, contexts >that do what the documentation says, continued support, huge base of >programmers?>>> I've not been impressed with PHP mostly because of the serious >>security issues in the open source libraries. If you're going to >>fix or deal with those, then you might as well code from scratch >>with something that makes security more easy to implement and check.>>Any programming language has security holes (Especially WebDNA). >The nice thing about OS languages is that those security issues can >be addressed by the community quickly, instead of having un-patched >bugs sitting around for years (Private software).>>> Most other tools will require that you move into SQL or >>something similar for database access. Not fun because that is >>really a second language to learn.>>You'd be surprised at how quickly one can learn SQL.>>> If you want to make a real change and use a set of tools that is >>gaining traction rapidly and seems more robust that anything I've >>seen in PHP, you should at least investigate Ruby on Rails (or at >>least one of the PHP frameworks--I know nothing about these). I >>know I've touted RoR on this list before, but it has many benefits >>such as not requiring SQL for the trivial issues, it has >>conventions throughout that make the common case ridiculously easy >>and the unusal case easily handled. Plus Ruby is really fun to >>code in and has true objects and idioms that are clever and easily >>remembered. It will be a shift from scripted coding, but you get a >>better product with the OOP conventions I think.>>I definitely agree here, but as a Ruby on Rails hosting company, I >can tell you security is not a reason to switch to Rails. Rails has >had it's fair number of security issues over the past year. But it >is an amazing technology and one we've been proud to work with. The >learning curve, especially with the introduction of version control >and of capistrano to publish your site instead of FTP will make this >a bit more of a burden to learn for a WebDNA user than something >like PHP.>>>-->>Jesse Proudman, Blue Box Group, LLC-- Terry Wilson | terry@terryfic.com | http://terryfic.comhttp://WhosComing.com - a simplified, affordable online reservation systemhttp://TightJacket.com -- stylish protection for your laptop--------------------------------------------------------------------------Attitude is the only difference between ordeal and adventure.-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

Re: learning PHP ( Donovan Brooke 2007)
Re: learning PHP ( Dale 2007)
Re: learning PHP ( Terry Wilson 2007)
Re: learning PHP ( Jesse Proudman 2007)
Re: learning PHP ( devaulw@onebox.com 2007)
Re: learning PHP ( "Olin Lagon" 2007)
Re: learning PHP ( "Nitai @ ComputerOil" 2007)
Re: learning PHP ( "Charles Kline" 2007)
learning PHP ( Terry Wilson 2007)

Why learn PHP? Pretty much all the things Jesse mentioned. It scares me to be making new sites in a language with no support, no upgrades, and a shrinking user base. Other than that, I love working in WebDNA. It doesn't take a Jeanne Dixon to see the future of WebDNA.Thanks everyone for their input on this.Terry>Message-Id: <59A345FE-E40C-4B99-8ADD-C7ED4D1C73E4@blueboxdev.com>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit>From: Jesse Proudman >Subject: Re: learning PHP>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:10:01 -0800>>>>> I'm not sure what you need to do, but PHP is just another >>scripting language. It might have a more robust set of commands >>and libraries and more programmers who know the language (and maybe >>those are the main deficiencies you are looking to overcome), but >>I'm not sure what advantage you would find in it versus WebDNA >>purely as a programming language.>>Any of number of reasons: Speed, Database connectivity, contexts >that do what the documentation says, continued support, huge base of >programmers?>>> I've not been impressed with PHP mostly because of the serious >>security issues in the open source libraries. If you're going to >>fix or deal with those, then you might as well code from scratch >>with something that makes security more easy to implement and check.>>Any programming language has security holes (Especially WebDNA). >The nice thing about OS languages is that those security issues can >be addressed by the community quickly, instead of having un-patched >bugs sitting around for years (Private software).>>> Most other tools will require that you move into SQL or >>something similar for database access. Not fun because that is >>really a second language to learn.>>You'd be surprised at how quickly one can learn SQL.>>> If you want to make a real change and use a set of tools that is >>gaining traction rapidly and seems more robust that anything I've >>seen in PHP, you should at least investigate Ruby on Rails (or at >>least one of the PHP frameworks--I know nothing about these). I >>know I've touted RoR on this list before, but it has many benefits >>such as not requiring SQL for the trivial issues, it has >>conventions throughout that make the common case ridiculously easy >>and the unusal case easily handled. Plus Ruby is really fun to >>code in and has true objects and idioms that are clever and easily >>remembered. It will be a shift from scripted coding, but you get a >>better product with the OOP conventions I think.>>I definitely agree here, but as a Ruby on Rails hosting company, I >can tell you security is not a reason to switch to Rails. Rails has >had it's fair number of security issues over the past year. But it >is an amazing technology and one we've been proud to work with. The >learning curve, especially with the introduction of version control >and of capistrano to publish your site instead of FTP will make this >a bit more of a burden to learn for a WebDNA user than something >like PHP.>>>-->>Jesse Proudman, Blue Box Group, LLC-- Terry Wilson | terry@terryfic.com | http://terryfic.comhttp://WhosComing.com - a simplified, affordable online reservation systemhttp://TightJacket.com -- stylish protection for your laptop--------------------------------------------------------------------------Attitude is the only difference between ordeal and adventure.-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Terry Wilson

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