Re: Blowback and budgets.
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2000
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texte = It's kind of curious that SM hasn't responded a whole lot to these posts. There are ALOT of people on this list who are beginning to shy away from WebCatalog and move towards other things like WebShiphon and MGI and I can't believe that SM is just going to ignore there fact. INFACT - With there own support methods being this list and with only about 4-8 people who can answer any question present here, If I was SM, I would be incredibly frightened. What happens if say Ken, Bob, Aaron, and all the other people that generally answerer questions quit using WebCat? How will SM possibly sell any more copies with NO support at all. Sorry if it makes so sense for I am half asleep.:) Jesse Proudman - NineWire Productions http://www.ninewire.com <-> jesse@ninewire.com Innovative and Creative Web Design and Hosting> -----Original Message----- > From: WebCatalog Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On > Behalf Of Joseph D'Andrea > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 5:57 AM > To: WebCatalog Talk > Subject: Re: Blowback and budgets. > > > At 12:09 AM 1/25/00, David A. Bryant wrote: > >> ... but if you all had to take a vote today, and by > >> show of hands I'd like a tally, who today would purchase WebCatalog > >> right off the cyberstore shelf knowing what they know now? Whether > >> Unix, NT, or Mac solution, would you buy it? > > I would, but let me explain. > > First of all I was already using WS4D for my e-commerce storefronts. Back > in September I needed to program a subscription based messaging matching > sort of thing that would be very similar to what a dating service site > might require. Needed a database for people and there profiles, needed to > keep track of paid subscriptions and process CC payments, needed to allow > messaging between users without revealing e-mail addresses, etc, > etc. Users > needed to login and I need to keep track of logins, sessions, membership > level, paid stats, etc, etc as a person moved from page to page. > > I sent my database spec to Steve C. at MGI and Nathan and Steve N. at > WebSiphon. Both said that my app was do-able, but would take them > weeks for > them to get to a point in their work schedule before they could > help me and > both indicated that the site would have a long development period. > Subsequently Steve Crisp said that MGI would not be able to do what I > wanted to do, but MGI 2 (not even in beta as I write this) would > be able to > do. I need the job done in less then 30 days. I talked up the application > on both the MGI and WebSiphon talk list and pretty much got the same > answers as the product developers were giving me. Do-able, but difficult, > and long development time. > > Blueworld (lasso) and pervasive (tango) never even replied to inquiries. > > WebCat was out of the question due to it's price tag. > > Then Dale from colony.net turned me on to TyphoonPro. For those who don't > know, Tpro is WebCat without the e-commerce tags and only cost me $495. > Since I didn't need the e-commerce tags anyway, I downloaded an evaluation > copy and jumped in... (in a previous life I programmed in C -- FORTRAN, > COBOL, BASIC and RPG before that) [Everyone under 30 now asks, What's > RPG?] > > I plowed into my application, asked a few newbie questions on this very > list... got some great answers from some of the users... and I was able to > get the site on-line in less then a week. I'm not kidding. > > It is only through the support offered by other WebCat-ers on this list > that I have any confidence in this software at all, and as long > as they are > around, and as long as TPro doesn't explode... I suppose I will survive. > Will I buy an upgrade to some future version of WebCat? Probably not. > > ___Joe___ > > > _________________________________________________ > Joseph D'Andrea JoeDan@West21.com > WEST21.com Internet services for the 21st Century > http://www.west21.com/ > _________________________________________________ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Brought to you by CommuniGate Pro - The Buzz Word Compliant > Messaging Server. > To end your Mail problems go to
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It's kind of curious that SM hasn't responded a whole lot to these posts. There are ALOT of people on this list who are beginning to shy away from WebCatalog and move towards other things like WebShiphon and MGI and I can't believe that SM is just going to ignore there fact. INFACT - With there own support methods being this list and with only about 4-8 people who can answer any question present here, If I was SM, I would be incredibly frightened. What happens if say Ken, Bob, Aaron, and all the other people that generally answerer questions quit using WebCat? How will SM possibly sell any more copies with NO support at all. Sorry if it makes so sense for I am half asleep.:) Jesse Proudman - NineWire Productions http://www.ninewire.com <-> jesse@ninewire.com Innovative and Creative Web Design and Hosting> -----Original Message----- > From: WebCatalog Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On > Behalf Of Joseph D'Andrea > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 5:57 AM > To: WebCatalog Talk > Subject: Re: Blowback and budgets. > > > At 12:09 AM 1/25/00, David A. Bryant wrote: > >> ... but if you all had to take a vote today, and by > >> show of hands I'd like a tally, who today would purchase WebCatalog > >> right off the cyberstore shelf knowing what they know now? Whether > >> Unix, NT, or Mac solution, would you buy it? > > I would, but let me explain. > > First of all I was already using WS4D for my e-commerce storefronts. Back > in September I needed to program a subscription based messaging matching > sort of thing that would be very similar to what a dating service site > might require. Needed a database for people and there profiles, needed to > keep track of paid subscriptions and process CC payments, needed to allow > messaging between users without revealing e-mail addresses, etc, > etc. Users > needed to login and I need to keep track of logins, sessions, membership > level, paid stats, etc, etc as a person moved from page to page. > > I sent my database spec to Steve C. at MGI and Nathan and Steve N. at > WebSiphon. Both said that my app was do-able, but would take them > weeks for > them to get to a point in their work schedule before they could > help me and > both indicated that the site would have a long development period. > Subsequently Steve Crisp said that MGI would not be able to do what I > wanted to do, but MGI 2 (not even in beta as I write this) would > be able to > do. I need the job done in less then 30 days. I talked up the application > on both the MGI and WebSiphon Talk List and pretty much got the same > answers as the product developers were giving me. Do-able, but difficult, > and long development time. > > Blueworld (lasso) and pervasive (tango) never even replied to inquiries. > > WebCat was out of the question due to it's price tag. > > Then Dale from colony.net turned me on to TyphoonPro. For those who don't > know, Tpro is WebCat without the e-commerce tags and only cost me $495. > Since I didn't need the e-commerce tags anyway, I downloaded an evaluation > copy and jumped in... (in a previous life I programmed in C -- FORTRAN, > COBOL, BASIC and RPG before that) [Everyone under 30 now asks, What's > RPG?] > > I plowed into my application, asked a few newbie questions on this very > list... got some great answers from some of the users... and I was able to > get the site on-line in less then a week. I'm not kidding. > > It is only through the support offered by other WebCat-ers on this list > that I have any confidence in this software at all, and as long > as they are > around, and as long as TPro doesn't explode... I suppose I will survive. > Will I buy an upgrade to some future version of WebCat? Probably not. > > ___Joe___ > > > _________________________________________________ > Joseph D'Andrea JoeDan@West21.com > WEST21.com Internet services for the 21st Century > http://www.west21.com/ > _________________________________________________ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Brought to you by CommuniGate Pro - The Buzz Word Compliant > Messaging Server. > To end your Mail problems go to . > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > ------------------------------------------------------------- Brought to you by CommuniGate Pro - The Buzz Word Compliant Messaging Server. To end your Mail problems go to .This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to
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