texte = I am still pretty new to CSS as well, however I didn't get accustomed to using tables to begin with. I find that using CSS lets me lay things out in a much easier manner by positioning
's across a page rather then using spacer gifs. The particularly nice thing about CSS is that it makes sense in my mind. I can tell a div to move X number of pixels one way, and it does exactly that. I can use colors, borders, font styles, pretty much anything I want to manipulate a page. It loads very very fast in a browser, and you can use one style sheet for an entire site. The only problem I have run across with CSS is standardization with IE. I typically design and check my work with Firefox... get everything laid out, then check it in IE and have to use some work a rounds to get it to display correctly there. It is frustrating because IE doesn't follow all the standards set forth by the W3C, yet so many people use it as their primary browser. I am far and away from being a CSS guru, so take my recommendations and experiences with a grain of salt. If you would like to learn more about CSS, I highly recommend picking up the following books: Web Standards Solutions by Dan Cederholm (certainly the most helpful and my favorite) Eric Meyer on CSS by Eric Meyer More Eric Meyer on CSS by Eric Meyer CSS Pocket Reference by Eric Meyer (O'Riley book) I taught myself most everything I know by using these books. Cheers! Scott A. Brown Blue Box Group, LLC. scott@blueboxgrp.com P:800.613.4305 x802 F:206.202.1783 -------------- 2252 N. Proctor #380 Tacoma, WA. 98406 Dan Strong wrote: > Very cool. I use CSS for formatting text and the content of table cells > all the time (I almost always apply styles to my
tags sitewide), > but as for layout, tables makes sense to me... I guess this new way > would take a little getting used to. I did notice that > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/156/156.css&page=0 breaks on > OSX/IE latest... but other than that they all look pretty good. What > about if someone wanted to slicing whereas an image is cut up and put > back together in different table cells or how about stretching a 1px > background image to fill a page horizontally. Not asking for code or a > tutorial (I can teach myself when/if I cross the bridge), but in > general, I guess I am asking do you CSS'ers find it easier to work this > way rather than with tables? > -Dan > > > > On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:24:47 -0700 > Scott Brown wrote: > >> I would highly recommend checking out www.csszengarden.com for >> examples of good CSS layout. Simply put, it is one html templated page >> that different designers have taken and styled differently using CSS. >> You can browse through all of the different designs and see that the >> content stays the same, however by changing the style sheet you can >> drastically change the way the page is displayed. >> >> Pull up one of them and turn off the styles. You can see that it is >> very basic html, however it looks quite complex with the styles applied. >> >> >> Scott A. Brown >> Blue Box Group, LLC. >> scott@blueboxgrp.com >> P:800.613.4305 x802 >> F:206.202.1783 >> -------------- >> 2252 N. Proctor #380 >> Tacoma, WA. >> 98406 >> >> Dan Strong wrote: >> >>> Fair enough. Do you have any links to some sites that you would >>> consider to be complex or at least good layouts that were built using >>> CSS? I am curious to see how people use CSS to solve probs that >>> old-schoolers like me have traditionally solved with tables. Thanks, >>> -Dan >>> >>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:29:53 -0700 >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well, I guess a problem to some... why use it to design a simple >>>> page when it lays out tables galore when some simple CSS would not >>>> only be easier, but also load faster in a users browser? >>>> >>>> Matter of preference and logistics, I suppose. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:14:29 -0700 >>>> "Dan Strong" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Scott, you have the floor now... please tell us what is wrong with >>>>> Dreamweaver. >>>>> -Dan >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:10:25 -0700 >>>>> Scott Brown wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There is your problem... it is a DreamWeaver page. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Scott A. Brown >>>>>> Blue Box Group, LLC. >>>>>> scott@blueboxgrp.com >>>>>> P:800.613.4305 x802 >>>>>> F:206.202.1783 >>>>>> -------------- >>>>>> 2252 N. Proctor #380 >>>>>> Tacoma, WA. >>>>>> 98406 >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe D'Andrea wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> At 4:54 PM -0400 4/7/05, John Peacock wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Check this page out using and clean >>>>>>>> up those mistakes (including failure to close the page) before >>>>>>>> you get too worked up about browser differences. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Interesting.... since except for one chunk of WebCat code at the >>>>>>> top of the template this is a Dreamweaver generated page. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>>>> >>>>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>>> >>>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>> >>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>> >>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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I am still pretty new to CSS as well, however I didn't get accustomed to using tables to begin with. I find that using CSS lets me lay things out in a much easier manner by positioning 's across a page rather then using spacer gifs. The particularly nice thing about CSS is that it makes sense in my mind. I can tell a div to move X number of pixels one way, and it does exactly that. I can use colors, borders, font styles, pretty much anything I want to manipulate a page. It loads very very fast in a browser, and you can use one style sheet for an entire site. The only problem I have run across with CSS is standardization with IE. I typically design and check my work with Firefox... get everything laid out, then check it in IE and have to use some work a rounds to get it to display correctly there. It is frustrating because IE doesn't follow all the standards set forth by the W3C, yet so many people use it as their primary browser. I am far and away from being a CSS guru, so take my recommendations and experiences with a grain of salt. If you would like to learn more about CSS, I highly recommend picking up the following books: Web Standards Solutions by Dan Cederholm (certainly the most helpful and my favorite) Eric Meyer on CSS by Eric Meyer More Eric Meyer on CSS by Eric Meyer CSS Pocket Reference by Eric Meyer (O'Riley book) I taught myself most everything I know by using these books. Cheers! Scott A. Brown Blue Box Group, LLC. scott@blueboxgrp.com P:800.613.4305 x802 F:206.202.1783 -------------- 2252 N. Proctor #380 Tacoma, WA. 98406 Dan Strong wrote: > Very cool. I use CSS for formatting text and the content of table cells > all the time (I almost always apply styles to my tags sitewide), > but as for layout, tables makes sense to me... I guess this new way > would take a little getting used to. I did notice that > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/156/156.css&page=0 breaks on > OSX/IE latest... but other than that they all look pretty good. What > about if someone wanted to slicing whereas an image is cut up and put > back together in different table cells or how about stretching a 1px > background image to fill a page horizontally. Not asking for code or a > tutorial (I can teach myself when/if I cross the bridge), but in > general, I guess I am asking do you CSS'ers find it easier to work this > way rather than with tables? > -Dan > > > > On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:24:47 -0700 > Scott Brown wrote: > >> I would highly recommend checking out www.csszengarden.com for >> examples of good CSS layout. Simply put, it is one html templated page >> that different designers have taken and styled differently using CSS. >> You can browse through all of the different designs and see that the >> content stays the same, however by changing the style sheet you can >> drastically change the way the page is displayed. >> >> Pull up one of them and turn off the styles. You can see that it is >> very basic html, however it looks quite complex with the styles applied. >> >> >> Scott A. Brown >> Blue Box Group, LLC. >> scott@blueboxgrp.com >> P:800.613.4305 x802 >> F:206.202.1783 >> -------------- >> 2252 N. Proctor #380 >> Tacoma, WA. >> 98406 >> >> Dan Strong wrote: >> >>> Fair enough. Do you have any links to some sites that you would >>> consider to be complex or at least good layouts that were built using >>> CSS? I am curious to see how people use CSS to solve probs that >>> old-schoolers like me have traditionally solved with tables. Thanks, >>> -Dan >>> >>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:29:53 -0700 >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well, I guess a problem to some... why use it to design a simple >>>> page when it lays out tables galore when some simple CSS would not >>>> only be easier, but also load faster in a users browser? >>>> >>>> Matter of preference and logistics, I suppose. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:14:29 -0700 >>>> "Dan Strong" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Scott, you have the floor now... please tell us what is wrong with >>>>> Dreamweaver. >>>>> -Dan >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:10:25 -0700 >>>>> Scott Brown wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There is your problem... it is a DreamWeaver page. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Scott A. Brown >>>>>> Blue Box Group, LLC. >>>>>> scott@blueboxgrp.com >>>>>> P:800.613.4305 x802 >>>>>> F:206.202.1783 >>>>>> -------------- >>>>>> 2252 N. Proctor #380 >>>>>> Tacoma, WA. >>>>>> 98406 >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe D'Andrea wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> At 4:54 PM -0400 4/7/05, John Peacock wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Check this page out using and clean >>>>>>>> up those mistakes (including failure to close the page) before >>>>>>>> you get too worked up about browser differences. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Interesting.... since except for one chunk of WebCat code at the >>>>>>> top of the template this is a Dreamweaver generated page. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>>>> >>>>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>>> >>>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>> >>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>> >>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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