Re: [WebDNA] An alternative to hosting...
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texte = All of this makes a lot of sense. I guess my question should be: At what point is it lucrative to own your hosting solution? Terry Wilson wrote: > I used to have my own servers here in my back bedroom. For 10 years, I > had three Macs: the mail and dns on one, Webstar on another, and Tenon > on the third. Both webservers running WebDNA of course. After a casual > conversation with one our list colleagues who used hosting, a light > bulb went off in my head and as soon as I could, I arranged for all my > sites to be moved to a WebDNA host. Suddenly, no more cost of servers > and eventual replacements (I had upgraded all three at least once to > newer Macs). No more cost of software (not just WebDNA, but all the > utilities and the OS). No more agonizing over whether a storm would > shut me down (we just had a 26-hour power outage last weekend. Rare, > but still, these things happen). No more agonizing over server > configurations and time spent trying to be a server admin. No more > feelings of being tethered to my current location. No more Timbuktu > during vacations to make sure everything is running right. No more > wondering if my connection was robust enough. No more worries about > home security (fire, theft, etc). No more worries about the dog > yanking a power cord out of the wall (i.e., thunderstorms put her into > a frenzy). And to top it off -- the big surprise -- the cost of > hosting was CHEAPER by a factor of 2 than the T-1 line I had coming > into the house. > > In other words, once I made the switch, I never looked back. > > Also, are you sure you wouldn't be violating a terms of agreement by > hosting a site on your DSL line? > > Terry > >> My needs are: >> >> Commercial hosting w/ scripting language (15GB Space/ 1500GB X-fer/mo) >> SSL (Plan on accepting credit cards through gateway) >> E-mail w/ Spam filtering (5 accounts) >> Image manipulation (ImageMagick, etc.) >> >> >> This is a start-up with very little money. If it becomes profitable >> enough to sustain a better connection, and buy a server/etc., Great! >> Otherwise, would I rather be out $120 for a year with GoDaddy >> hosting, $240 minimum for a year hosting somewhere else with WebDNA, >> or would I rather use the DSL connection that I have, pay $135 for my >> own copy of WebDNA CE, $20 for an SSL, $10/mo for a static IP, and >> host it myself on equipment that is just collecting dust with open >> source software until it becomes profitable or dies? >> >> I am still open to possibilities... I am just trying to save money >> right now. A one month old, and an unemployed spouse don't give me a >> whole lot of free cash at the end of the month. >> >> >> >> Bob Minor wrote: >>> Hey Matthew, >>> >>> I'm curious what you mean by "hosting kills me everytime"? I assume >>> this is a non-commercial site, if so then there is no reason not to >>> use your static ip dsl. >>> >>> If this is something that needs to be up 24x7x365, your taking >>> credit cards and need to pass PCI testing, security and keeping up >>> with the latest hacks, then you should stick with a hosted solution. >>> You may not find webdna for $10 a month but I know you can find it >>> for as low as $20 a month, but if your "commercial" site can't deal >>> with a $120 a year in costs then I think there may be something else >>> going on that you'll need to look at. >>> >>> Are you buying webdna commercial or using the demo product? >>> >>> Bob Minor >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 6, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Matthew Bohne wrote: >>> >>>> I am looking at all of my computer equipment and thinking that I >>>> can build myself a web server, throw linux on it, and get a static >>>> IP, and I will be all set to run my own web server on my home DSL >>>> account. >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any recommendation, or reasons why I should look >>>> at a hosted option, instead? I am trying to get away from GoDaddy, >>>> and switch back to WebDNA from PHP, but hosting cost seems to be >>>> what kills me every time. >>>> >>>> So, Recommendations? >>>> Computer speed? Memory, etc. >>>> Linux Version? >>>> Security? >>>> Other pitfalls I will have to avoid? >>>> >>>> Matthew Bohne >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list
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All of this makes a lot of sense. I guess my question should be: At what point is it lucrative to own your hosting solution? Terry Wilson wrote: > I used to have my own servers here in my back bedroom. For 10 years, I > had three Macs: the mail and dns on one, Webstar on another, and Tenon > on the third. Both webservers running WebDNA of course. After a casual > conversation with one our list colleagues who used hosting, a light > bulb went off in my head and as soon as I could, I arranged for all my > sites to be moved to a WebDNA host. Suddenly, no more cost of servers > and eventual replacements (I had upgraded all three at least once to > newer Macs). No more cost of software (not just WebDNA, but all the > utilities and the OS). No more agonizing over whether a storm would > shut me down (we just had a 26-hour power outage last weekend. Rare, > but still, these things happen). No more agonizing over server > configurations and time spent trying to be a server admin. No more > feelings of being tethered to my current location. No more Timbuktu > during vacations to make sure everything is running right. No more > wondering if my connection was robust enough. No more worries about > home security (fire, theft, etc). No more worries about the dog > yanking a power cord out of the wall (i.e., thunderstorms put her into > a frenzy). And to top it off -- the big surprise -- the cost of > hosting was CHEAPER by a factor of 2 than the T-1 line I had coming > into the house. > > In other words, once I made the switch, I never looked back. > > Also, are you sure you wouldn't be violating a terms of agreement by > hosting a site on your DSL line? > > Terry > >> My needs are: >> >> Commercial hosting w/ scripting language (15GB Space/ 1500GB X-fer/mo) >> SSL (Plan on accepting credit cards through gateway) >> E-mail w/ Spam filtering (5 accounts) >> Image manipulation (ImageMagick, etc.) >> >> >> This is a start-up with very little money. If it becomes profitable >> enough to sustain a better connection, and buy a server/etc., Great! >> Otherwise, would I rather be out $120 for a year with GoDaddy >> hosting, $240 minimum for a year hosting somewhere else with WebDNA, >> or would I rather use the DSL connection that I have, pay $135 for my >> own copy of WebDNA CE, $20 for an SSL, $10/mo for a static IP, and >> host it myself on equipment that is just collecting dust with open >> source software until it becomes profitable or dies? >> >> I am still open to possibilities... I am just trying to save money >> right now. A one month old, and an unemployed spouse don't give me a >> whole lot of free cash at the end of the month. >> >> >> >> Bob Minor wrote: >>> Hey Matthew, >>> >>> I'm curious what you mean by "hosting kills me everytime"? I assume >>> this is a non-commercial site, if so then there is no reason not to >>> use your static ip dsl. >>> >>> If this is something that needs to be up 24x7x365, your taking >>> credit cards and need to pass PCI testing, security and keeping up >>> with the latest hacks, then you should stick with a hosted solution. >>> You may not find webdna for $10 a month but I know you can find it >>> for as low as $20 a month, but if your "commercial" site can't deal >>> with a $120 a year in costs then I think there may be something else >>> going on that you'll need to look at. >>> >>> Are you buying webdna commercial or using the demo product? >>> >>> Bob Minor >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 6, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Matthew Bohne wrote: >>> >>>> I am looking at all of my computer equipment and thinking that I >>>> can build myself a web server, throw linux on it, and get a static >>>> IP, and I will be all set to run my own web server on my home DSL >>>> account. >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any recommendation, or reasons why I should look >>>> at a hosted option, instead? I am trying to get away from GoDaddy, >>>> and switch back to WebDNA from PHP, but hosting cost seems to be >>>> what kills me every time. >>>> >>>> So, Recommendations? >>>> Computer speed? Memory, etc. >>>> Linux Version? >>>> Security? >>>> Other pitfalls I will have to avoid? >>>> >>>> Matthew Bohne >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>> Bug Reporting: >>>> http://forum.webdna.us/eucabb.html?page=topics&category=288 >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>> Bug Reporting: >>> http://forum.webdna.us/eucabb.html?page=topics&category=288 >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >> Bug Reporting: >> http://forum.webdna.us/eucabb.html?page=topics&category=288 >
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