Re: [WebDNA] Open source WebDNA?
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texte = Just a few words: SmithMicro sold WebDNA for a lot of money. We, the = investors, paid this because we believe WebDNA has a future. Without us, = WebDNA would probably be in a box in a SmithMicro basement. The initial investment and budget has been spent in less than a year, = maybe not as wisely as it should have been. We started to please the = community by releasing 6.2 as a free upgrade to 6.0 users. Then we = thought the community would buy enough new licenses to keep the ball = rolling, but this has proved to be wrong: support from the community has = been scarse. Marketing? no money left, so we got help from Dan Strong to = redesign the site, but even the most strident supporters will not accept = to work for free forever. WebDNA needs a new start, a new customer background, it needs to be even = easier to learn and to use, it needs to be available for as many users = as possible, it needs to attract new blood, young programmers, = designers, webmasters: to do this, i released WebDNA 7.0 FastCGI as a = freeware, with option to buy very cheap accelerator certificates. WebDNA = 7.0 can now run on almost any linux/unix webserver, with any webserver = software. Windows? i prioritize Unix as it is the leader in serving the Web. About = 90% of the Internet relies on Unix operating systems. Windows version is = an entirely different baby and we do not have -at this time- the = available skills or funds to work on it, for a 10% market share. Make it open source and WebDNA will be dead. Why? because no C++ = programmers has any interest in spending hundred of hours for free. So, if you can now use WebDNA with any modern UNIX/LINUX OS for free or = for an extremely low cost, it is because there is a tiny group of two = people working on it: the developer and me. I maybe stubborn, but i stick with my plan and i pay for it, from my own = money, and hope to be able to invest more soon. Any better idea is welcome. - chris On Jan 1, 2012, at 18:02, Kenneth Grome wrote: >> But then I saw the recent email about lack of funds to >> work on the Windows version of WebDNA and the license >> sale/promotion offered and the very real need for >> funding for WebDNA. At that point, it struck me that >> maybe WebDNA was never going to be open source after >> all. Did I miss something? >=20 > Yes, apparently you did. =20 >=20 > No one at WSC ever thought that open source was a wise thing=20 > to do. =46rom the very beginning they have felt that the only=20 > worthwhile asset they own is WebDNA's internal code -- and=20 > they need to prevent others from gaining access it at all=20 > costs. =20 >=20 > Case in point: >=20 > Several years ago while I was still managing an offshore=20 > programming service and WSC had just purchased WebDNA I=20 > proposed to help them develop and release a new version "in=20 > record time" by setting up a special secured office and=20 > personally managing 5 full-time C++ programmers -- all for=20 > less than the cost of hiring one full-time US-based=20 > programmer with the same skill set. =20 >=20 > They rejected my offer because they did not trust me or my=20 > programmers (I'm not sure which, maybe all of us) to have=20 > access to WebDNA's internal code. >=20 > It's been a few years since then. I wonder how WSC's=20 > feelings may have changed? To put it bluntly, if their=20 > attitude remains the same then it seems we have nothing to=20 > discuss. >=20 > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list
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Just a few words: SmithMicro sold WebDNA for a lot of money. We, the = investors, paid this because we believe WebDNA has a future. Without us, = WebDNA would probably be in a box in a SmithMicro basement. The initial investment and budget has been spent in less than a year, = maybe not as wisely as it should have been. We started to please the = community by releasing 6.2 as a free upgrade to 6.0 users. Then we = thought the community would buy enough new licenses to keep the ball = rolling, but this has proved to be wrong: support from the community has = been scarse. Marketing? no money left, so we got help from Dan Strong to = redesign the site, but even the most strident supporters will not accept = to work for free forever. WebDNA needs a new start, a new customer background, it needs to be even = easier to learn and to use, it needs to be available for as many users = as possible, it needs to attract new blood, young programmers, = designers, webmasters: to do this, i released WebDNA 7.0 FastCGI as a = freeware, with option to buy very cheap accelerator certificates. WebDNA = 7.0 can now run on almost any linux/unix webserver, with any webserver = software. Windows? i prioritize Unix as it is the leader in serving the Web. About = 90% of the Internet relies on Unix operating systems. Windows version is = an entirely different baby and we do not have -at this time- the = available skills or funds to work on it, for a 10% market share. Make it open source and WebDNA will be dead. Why? because no C++ = programmers has any interest in spending hundred of hours for free. So, if you can now use WebDNA with any modern UNIX/LINUX OS for free or = for an extremely low cost, it is because there is a tiny group of two = people working on it: the developer and me. I maybe stubborn, but i stick with my plan and i pay for it, from my own = money, and hope to be able to invest more soon. Any better idea is welcome. - chris On Jan 1, 2012, at 18:02, Kenneth Grome wrote: >> But then I saw the recent email about lack of funds to >> work on the Windows version of WebDNA and the license >> sale/promotion offered and the very real need for >> funding for WebDNA. At that point, it struck me that >> maybe WebDNA was never going to be open source after >> all. Did I miss something? >=20 > Yes, apparently you did. =20 >=20 > No one at WSC ever thought that open source was a wise thing=20 > to do. =46rom the very beginning they have felt that the only=20 > worthwhile asset they own is WebDNA's internal code -- and=20 > they need to prevent others from gaining access it at all=20 > costs. =20 >=20 > Case in point: >=20 > Several years ago while I was still managing an offshore=20 > programming service and WSC had just purchased WebDNA I=20 > proposed to help them develop and release a new version "in=20 > record time" by setting up a special secured office and=20 > personally managing 5 full-time C++ programmers -- all for=20 > less than the cost of hiring one full-time US-based=20 > programmer with the same skill set. =20 >=20 > They rejected my offer because they did not trust me or my=20 > programmers (I'm not sure which, maybe all of us) to have=20 > access to WebDNA's internal code. >=20 > It's been a few years since then. I wonder how WSC's=20 > feelings may have changed? To put it bluntly, if their=20 > attitude remains the same then it seems we have nothing to=20 > discuss. >=20 > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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