Re: [WebDNA] Open source WebDNA?
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texte = A VMware appliance would be great. There are so many virtual hosting = providers one could pick from, and you are right, no installation at = all. Great idea. frank On Jan 2, 2012, at 4:12 AM, Chris Van Dromme wrote: > I have been developing websites using WebDNA on Windows since version = 3. I love it and I really hoping you have success in building a larger = customer base. >=20 > But I would like to point out that according to several web traffic = surveys that I reviewed, Windows market share in the web server space is = estimated anywhere between 25 and 40%. The 90% figure for Unix I believe = is an out-of-date assumption; a figure that UNIX has not had for over a = decade. >=20 > Unix is still the larger market, so you may be correct in pursuing it = first. But you mention getting "new blood, young programmers, designers, = webmasters" interested in WebDNA. Many of these types are not interested = in UNIX. In looking at the graphs of market share, the overall trend for = the last decade is an increase in Windows and less reliance on UNIX. = Apache has fallen to just under 50% for Fortune 500 companies. >=20 > I used to run both Linux and Windows servers. But the server = administration became overwhelming. So I dropped the Linux because I had = to have Windows for certain applications. >=20 > So I do hope eventually there is enough money it for you to continue = with a Windows version. >=20 > I would like to make one suggestion regarding installation. I have = been running VMWare on all my servers for about a year and a half. = Having an appliance template that I could just boot up would make it a = no brainer to try it as far as I am concerned. They are becoming very = popular and make it so easy for someone to try it out with spending a = minute configuring it. >=20 > Chris > US Internet >=20 > On Jan 1, 2012, at 4:33 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >=20 >> Just a few words: SmithMicro sold WebDNA for a lot of money. We, the = investors, paid this because we believe WebDNA has a future. Without us, = WebDNA would probably be in a box in a SmithMicro basement. >> The initial investment and budget has been spent in less than a year, = maybe not as wisely as it should have been. We started to please the = community by releasing 6.2 as a free upgrade to 6.0 users. Then we = thought the community would buy enough new licenses to keep the ball = rolling, but this has proved to be wrong: support from the community has = been scarse. Marketing? no money left, so we got help from Dan Strong to = redesign the site, but even the most strident supporters will not accept = to work for free forever. >>=20 >> WebDNA needs a new start, a new customer background, it needs to be = even easier to learn and to use, it needs to be available for as many = users as possible, it needs to attract new blood, young programmers, = designers, webmasters: to do this, i released WebDNA 7.0 FastCGI as a = freeware, with option to buy very cheap accelerator certificates. WebDNA = 7.0 can now run on almost any linux/unix webserver, with any webserver = software. >>=20 >> Windows? i prioritize Unix as it is the leader in serving the Web. = About 90% of the Internet relies on Unix operating systems. Windows = version is an entirely different baby and we do not have -at this time- = the available skills or funds to work on it, for a 10% market share. >>=20 >> Make it open source and WebDNA will be dead. Why? because no C++ = programmers has any interest in spending hundred of hours for free. >>=20 >> So, if you can now use WebDNA with any modern UNIX/LINUX OS for free = or for an extremely low cost, it is because there is a tiny group of two = people working on it: the developer and me. >>=20 >> I maybe stubborn, but i stick with my plan and i pay for it, from my = own money, and hope to be able to invest more soon. >>=20 >> Any better idea is welcome. >>=20 >> - chris >>=20 >> On Jan 1, 2012, at 18:02, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>=20 >>>> But then I saw the recent email about lack of funds to >>>> work on the Windows version of WebDNA and the license >>>> sale/promotion offered and the very real need for >>>> funding for WebDNA. At that point, it struck me that >>>> maybe WebDNA was never going to be open source after >>>> all. Did I miss something? >>>=20 >>> Yes, apparently you did. =20 >>>=20 >>> No one at WSC ever thought that open source was a wise thing=20 >>> to do. =46rom the very beginning they have felt that the only=20 >>> worthwhile asset they own is WebDNA's internal code -- and=20 >>> they need to prevent others from gaining access it at all=20 >>> costs. =20 >>>=20 >>> Case in point: >>>=20 >>> Several years ago while I was still managing an offshore=20 >>> programming service and WSC had just purchased WebDNA I=20 >>> proposed to help them develop and release a new version "in=20 >>> record time" by setting up a special secured office and=20 >>> personally managing 5 full-time C++ programmers -- all for=20 >>> less than the cost of hiring one full-time US-based=20 >>> programmer with the same skill set. =20 >>>=20 >>> They rejected my offer because they did not trust me or my=20 >>> programmers (I'm not sure which, maybe all of us) to have=20 >>> access to WebDNA's internal code. >>>=20 >>> It's been a few years since then. I wonder how WSC's=20 >>> feelings may have changed? To put it bluntly, if their=20 >>> attitude remains the same then it seems we have nothing to=20 >>> discuss. >>>=20 >>> Sincerely, >>> Kenneth Grome >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list
. >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20
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A VMware appliance would be great. There are so many virtual hosting = providers one could pick from, and you are right, no installation at = all. Great idea. frank On Jan 2, 2012, at 4:12 AM, Chris Van Dromme wrote: > I have been developing websites using WebDNA on Windows since version = 3. I love it and I really hoping you have success in building a larger = customer base. >=20 > But I would like to point out that according to several web traffic = surveys that I reviewed, Windows market share in the web server space is = estimated anywhere between 25 and 40%. The 90% figure for Unix I believe = is an out-of-date assumption; a figure that UNIX has not had for over a = decade. >=20 > Unix is still the larger market, so you may be correct in pursuing it = first. But you mention getting "new blood, young programmers, designers, = webmasters" interested in WebDNA. Many of these types are not interested = in UNIX. In looking at the graphs of market share, the overall trend for = the last decade is an increase in Windows and less reliance on UNIX. = Apache has fallen to just under 50% for Fortune 500 companies. >=20 > I used to run both Linux and Windows servers. But the server = administration became overwhelming. So I dropped the Linux because I had = to have Windows for certain applications. >=20 > So I do hope eventually there is enough money it for you to continue = with a Windows version. >=20 > I would like to make one suggestion regarding installation. I have = been running VMWare on all my servers for about a year and a half. = Having an appliance template that I could just boot up would make it a = no brainer to try it as far as I am concerned. They are becoming very = popular and make it so easy for someone to try it out with spending a = minute configuring it. >=20 > Chris > US Internet >=20 > On Jan 1, 2012, at 4:33 PM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >=20 >> Just a few words: SmithMicro sold WebDNA for a lot of money. We, the = investors, paid this because we believe WebDNA has a future. Without us, = WebDNA would probably be in a box in a SmithMicro basement. >> The initial investment and budget has been spent in less than a year, = maybe not as wisely as it should have been. We started to please the = community by releasing 6.2 as a free upgrade to 6.0 users. Then we = thought the community would buy enough new licenses to keep the ball = rolling, but this has proved to be wrong: support from the community has = been scarse. Marketing? no money left, so we got help from Dan Strong to = redesign the site, but even the most strident supporters will not accept = to work for free forever. >>=20 >> WebDNA needs a new start, a new customer background, it needs to be = even easier to learn and to use, it needs to be available for as many = users as possible, it needs to attract new blood, young programmers, = designers, webmasters: to do this, i released WebDNA 7.0 FastCGI as a = freeware, with option to buy very cheap accelerator certificates. WebDNA = 7.0 can now run on almost any linux/unix webserver, with any webserver = software. >>=20 >> Windows? i prioritize Unix as it is the leader in serving the Web. = About 90% of the Internet relies on Unix operating systems. Windows = version is an entirely different baby and we do not have -at this time- = the available skills or funds to work on it, for a 10% market share. >>=20 >> Make it open source and WebDNA will be dead. Why? because no C++ = programmers has any interest in spending hundred of hours for free. >>=20 >> So, if you can now use WebDNA with any modern UNIX/LINUX OS for free = or for an extremely low cost, it is because there is a tiny group of two = people working on it: the developer and me. >>=20 >> I maybe stubborn, but i stick with my plan and i pay for it, from my = own money, and hope to be able to invest more soon. >>=20 >> Any better idea is welcome. >>=20 >> - chris >>=20 >> On Jan 1, 2012, at 18:02, Kenneth Grome wrote: >>=20 >>>> But then I saw the recent email about lack of funds to >>>> work on the Windows version of WebDNA and the license >>>> sale/promotion offered and the very real need for >>>> funding for WebDNA. At that point, it struck me that >>>> maybe WebDNA was never going to be open source after >>>> all. Did I miss something? >>>=20 >>> Yes, apparently you did. =20 >>>=20 >>> No one at WSC ever thought that open source was a wise thing=20 >>> to do. =46rom the very beginning they have felt that the only=20 >>> worthwhile asset they own is WebDNA's internal code -- and=20 >>> they need to prevent others from gaining access it at all=20 >>> costs. =20 >>>=20 >>> Case in point: >>>=20 >>> Several years ago while I was still managing an offshore=20 >>> programming service and WSC had just purchased WebDNA I=20 >>> proposed to help them develop and release a new version "in=20 >>> record time" by setting up a special secured office and=20 >>> personally managing 5 full-time C++ programmers -- all for=20 >>> less than the cost of hiring one full-time US-based=20 >>> programmer with the same skill set. =20 >>>=20 >>> They rejected my offer because they did not trust me or my=20 >>> programmers (I'm not sure which, maybe all of us) to have=20 >>> access to WebDNA's internal code. >>>=20 >>> It's been a few years since then. I wonder how WSC's=20 >>> feelings may have changed? To put it bluntly, if their=20 >>> attitude remains the same then it seems we have nothing to=20 >>> discuss. >>>=20 >>> Sincerely, >>> Kenneth Grome >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >=20
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