Re: [WebDNA] No more SQL in 7.1?
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2012
It keeps the original formatting.
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texte = --000e0cdfdb600334dc04b8158e65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Ken wrote: > "It seems to me that this is *exactly* what some of us were > arguing for so vehemently a couple years ago. > We referred to is as "open source" ..." I have tried to present this option by providing an example of a business model that retains ownership of the underlying WebDNA code and also makes it available as open source so that others can help build WebDNA functionality at no cost and much gain. Ironically, MySQL is based on that model. The suggestion was pretty much shot down without any real or attempted research in my opinion. I however did not spend the money to buy the source code and have no say in the matter, but the suggestion came from wanting to see this product "thrive" as stated previously when this was discussed a few years ago in an email by David Meyers. I agree 100% with the advice given by David Meyers in 2008 and I give that same advice today. See below... Subject:RE: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy? > From:Meyers, David E. > Fri 10/10/2008 > > Strategy? Think marketing and business not tech=85 > I have been a WebDNA fan since I bought the original plug-in for 5 grand > over ten years ago. I have no where near the programming and =93tech=94 a= bility > of those that I see commenting on the talk lists =96 in fact, half of the > talk list comments are greek to me. I continue to contract out to some tr= ue > WebDNA experts that have been with the software for years. I will share t= he > observations that I shared with Smith Micro =96 who I feel we all agree > mismanaged and had little care for supporting WebDNA. > As stated by Olin - Creating, managing, extending, modifying,? searching > and editing databases is about as easy as it gets. Bottom line =96 it is = VERY > simple and VERY powerful=85 Hell, I=92m a designer and I have managed to = create > some pretty powerful solutions (even without the support of my contacted > friends). > > In my graduate schools days, I had a genius of a professor who was > extremely successful (and quite wealthy) =96 he did nt have to teach, rat= her > he chose to do so - he pointed out to students that companies and product= s > will exist by falling into one of the following categories =96 They will: > > Fail. (or) > Survive. (or) > Thrive. > > WebDNA has survived. > > I have shared this rather controversial position before privately, but > this time I throw it to the public forum and let you guys think about it. > > WebDNA will never thrive as long as Php and MySQL is available for free = =96 > and it looks as if this will never change. If you polled WebDNA users ove= r > the years you will see that MANY have migrated to Php/MySql already. It h= as > such a wide user base, tremendous support, is free and is supported by > nearly every major hosting company. > > My repeated suggestion =96 MAKE WEBDNA FREE and OPEN SOURCE. It is the on= ly > way for WebDNA to thrive. WebDNA can=92t be making any real revenue with = the > prices at 65 per domain or 499 for unlimited domains? Refocus revenue > generation on DEVELOPED SOLUTIONS, GENERAL SUPPORT and CUSTOM SOLUTIONS > SUPPORT AND PROGRAMMING. The ability to create custom solutions by all of > you high-end programmers will always be present. > > This could potentially increase the install base at hosting companies on = a > massive scale =96 how many times have we seen people simply looking for a > hosting company for WebDNA solutions? This in turn would lead to more > exposure, availability and users. > > There is currently tons of revenue being generated by solidly programmed > php solutions. In fact, if research were to be done across-the-board, you > would see that well programmed and intuitively designed php solutions are > being sold for more that the current cost of WebDNA? > It must gain a much wider base or it will always remain a cool technology > with a small and specialized following =96 and it will simply survive. > > I believe Olin=92s comments about the interface tool and positioning vs > php/mySQL is sharp and on target=85 > > Please understand =96 I believe in WebDNA and I truly believe it can catc= h > fire if =93marketed=94 correctly. Sorry if I stirred the bee hive=85 Aloha, Davo (by way of Kauai, Savannah and now Louisville) On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Kenneth Grome
wrote: > > My suggestion (and plea) for WebDNA's future, is for > > Chris to consider taking on more help from others, whom > > may want to offer it. Trying to do this all on your own > > is an effort in futility. If you get others involved, > > you'll be able to support the product easier. > > It seems to me that this is *exactly* what some of us were > arguing for so vehemently a couple years ago. > > We referred to is as "open source" ... > > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > --000e0cdfdb600334dc04b8158e65 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ken wrote:=A0"It seems to me that this is *exactly* what some of us were
arguing for so vehemently a couple years ago.
We referred to is as "= ;open source" ..."
I have tried to pre= sent this option by providing an example of a business model that retains o= wnership of the underlying WebDNA code and also makes it available as open = source so that others can help build WebDNA functionality at no cost and mu= ch gain. =A0Ironically, MySQL is based on that model.
The suggestion was pretty much shot down without any real or= attempted research in my opinion. =A0I however did not spend the money to = buy the source code and have no say in the matter, but the suggestion came = from wanting to see this product "thrive" as stated previously wh= en this was discussed a few years ago in an email by David Meyers.
I agree 100% with the advice given by David Meyers in 2008 a= nd I give that same advice today. =A0See below...
Subject:RE: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy?
From:Meyers, David E. Fri 10/10/2008
Strategy? Think marketing and business not tech=85=
I have been a WebDNA fan since I bought the original plug-in for 5 gran= d over ten years ago. I have no where near the programming and =93tech=94 a= bility of those that I see commenting on the talk lists =96 in fact, half o= f the talk list comments are greek to me. I continue to contract out to som= e true WebDNA experts that have been with the software for years. I will sh= are the observations that I shared with Smith Micro =96 who I feel we all a= gree mismanaged and had little care for supporting WebDNA.
As stated by Olin - Creating, managing, extending, modifying,? searching an= d editing databases is about as easy as it gets. Bottom line =96 it is VERY= simple and VERY powerful=85 Hell, I=92m a designer and I have managed to c= reate some pretty powerful solutions (even without the support of my contac= ted friends).
=A0
In my graduate schools days, I had a genius of a professor who was extremel= y successful (and quite wealthy) =96 he did nt have to teach, rather he cho= se to do so - he pointed out to students that companies and products will e= xist by falling into one of the following categories =96 They will:
=A0
Fail. (or)
Survive. (or)
Thrive.
WebDNA has survived.
=A0
I have shared this rather controversial position before privately, but this= time I throw it to the public forum and let you guys think about it.
=A0
WebDNA will never thrive as long as Php and MySQL is available for free =96= and it looks as if this will never change. If you polled WebDNA users over= the years you will see that MANY have migrated to Php/MySql already. It ha= s such a wide user base, tremendous support, is free and is supported by ne= arly every major hosting company.
=A0
My repeated suggestion =96 MAKE WEBDNA FREE and OPEN SOURCE. It is the only= way for WebDNA to thrive. WebDNA can=92t be making any real revenue with t= he prices at 65 per domain or 499 for unlimited domains? Refocus revenue ge= neration on DEVELOPED SOLUTIONS, GENERAL SUPPORT and CUSTOM SOLUTIONS SUPP= ORT AND PROGRAMMING. The ability to create custom solutions by all of you h= igh-end programmers will always be present.
=A0
This could potentially increase the install base at hosting companies on a = massive scale =96 how many times have we seen people simply looking for a h= osting company for WebDNA solutions? This in turn would lead to more exposu= re, availability and users.
=A0
There is currently tons of revenue being generated by solidly programmed ph= p solutions. In fact, if research were to be done across-the-board, you wou= ld see that well programmed and intuitively designed php solutions are bein= g sold for more that the current cost of WebDNA?
It must gain a much wider base or it will always remain a cool technology w= ith a small and specialized following =96 and it will simply survive.
=A0
I believe Olin=92s comments about the interface tool and positioning vs php= /mySQL is sharp and on target=85
Please understand =96 I believe in= WebDNA and I truly believe it can catch fire if =93marketed=94 correctly. = Sorry if I stirred the bee hive=85
Aloha, Davo (by way of Kauai, Savannah and now Louisville)On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Kenneth Grome
<kengrome@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
> My suggestion (and pl= ea) for WebDNA's future, is for
> Chris to consider =A0taking on more help from others, whom
> may want to offer it. Trying to do this all on your own
> is an effort in futility. If you get others involved,
> you'll be able to support the product easier.
It seems to me that this is *exactly* what some of us were
arguing for so vehemently a couple years ago.
We referred to is as "open source" ...
Sincerely,
Kenneth Grome
--000e0cdfdb600334dc04b8158e65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Ken wrote: > "It seems to me that this is *exactly* what some of us were > arguing for so vehemently a couple years ago. > We referred to is as "open source" ..." I have tried to present this option by providing an example of a business model that retains ownership of the underlying WebDNA code and also makes it available as open source so that others can help build WebDNA functionality at no cost and much gain. Ironically, MySQL is based on that model. The suggestion was pretty much shot down without any real or attempted research in my opinion. I however did not spend the money to buy the source code and have no say in the matter, but the suggestion came from wanting to see this product "thrive" as stated previously when this was discussed a few years ago in an email by David Meyers. I agree 100% with the advice given by David Meyers in 2008 and I give that same advice today. See below... Subject:RE: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy? > From:Meyers, David E. > Fri 10/10/2008 > > Strategy? Think marketing and business not tech=85 > I have been a WebDNA fan since I bought the original plug-in for 5 grand > over ten years ago. I have no where near the programming and =93tech=94 a= bility > of those that I see commenting on the Talk Lists =96 in fact, half of the > Talk List comments are greek to me. I continue to contract out to some tr= ue > WebDNA experts that have been with the software for years. I will share t= he > observations that I shared with Smith Micro =96 who I feel we all agree > mismanaged and had little care for supporting WebDNA. > As stated by Olin - Creating, managing, extending, modifying,? searching > and editing databases is about as easy as it gets. Bottom line =96 it is = VERY > simple and VERY powerful=85 Hell, I=92m a designer and I have managed to = create > some pretty powerful solutions (even without the support of my contacted > friends). > > In my graduate schools days, I had a genius of a professor who was > extremely successful (and quite wealthy) =96 he did nt have to teach, rat= her > he chose to do so - he pointed out to students that companies and product= s > will exist by falling into one of the following categories =96 They will: > > Fail. (or) > Survive. (or) > Thrive. > > WebDNA has survived. > > I have shared this rather controversial position before privately, but > this time I throw it to the public forum and let you guys think about it. > > WebDNA will never thrive as long as Php and MySQL is available for free = =96 > and it looks as if this will never change. If you polled WebDNA users ove= r > the years you will see that MANY have migrated to Php/MySql already. It h= as > such a wide user base, tremendous support, is free and is supported by > nearly every major hosting company. > > My repeated suggestion =96 MAKE WEBDNA FREE and OPEN SOURCE. It is the on= ly > way for WebDNA to thrive. WebDNA can=92t be making any real revenue with = the > prices at 65 per domain or 499 for unlimited domains? Refocus revenue > generation on DEVELOPED SOLUTIONS, GENERAL SUPPORT and CUSTOM SOLUTIONS > SUPPORT AND PROGRAMMING. The ability to create custom solutions by all of > you high-end programmers will always be present. > > This could potentially increase the install base at hosting companies on = a > massive scale =96 how many times have we seen people simply looking for a > hosting company for WebDNA solutions? This in turn would lead to more > exposure, availability and users. > > There is currently tons of revenue being generated by solidly programmed > php solutions. In fact, if research were to be done across-the-board, you > would see that well programmed and intuitively designed php solutions are > being sold for more that the current cost of WebDNA? > It must gain a much wider base or it will always remain a cool technology > with a small and specialized following =96 and it will simply survive. > > I believe Olin=92s comments about the interface tool and positioning vs > php/mySQL is sharp and on target=85 > > Please understand =96 I believe in WebDNA and I truly believe it can catc= h > fire if =93marketed=94 correctly. Sorry if I stirred the bee hive=85 Aloha, Davo (by way of Kauai, Savannah and now Louisville) On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Kenneth Grome wrote: > > My suggestion (and plea) for WebDNA's future, is for > > Chris to consider taking on more help from others, whom > > may want to offer it. Trying to do this all on your own > > is an effort in futility. If you get others involved, > > you'll be able to support the product easier. > > It seems to me that this is *exactly* what some of us were > arguing for so vehemently a couple years ago. > > We referred to is as "open source" ... > > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > --000e0cdfdb600334dc04b8158e65 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ken wrote:=A0"It seems to me that this is *exactly* what some of us were
arguing for so vehemently a couple years ago.
We referred to is as "= ;open source" ..."
I have tried to pre= sent this option by providing an example of a business model that retains o= wnership of the underlying WebDNA code and also makes it available as open = source so that others can help build WebDNA functionality at no cost and mu= ch gain. =A0Ironically, MySQL is based on that model.
The suggestion was pretty much shot down without any real or= attempted research in my opinion. =A0I however did not spend the money to = buy the source code and have no say in the matter, but the suggestion came = from wanting to see this product "thrive" as stated previously wh= en this was discussed a few years ago in an email by David Meyers.
I agree 100% with the advice given by David Meyers in 2008 a= nd I give that same advice today. =A0See below...
Subject:RE: [WebDNA] a major shift in strategy?
From:Meyers, David E. Fri 10/10/2008
Strategy? Think marketing and business not tech=85=
I have been a WebDNA fan since I bought the original plug-in for 5 gran= d over ten years ago. I have no where near the programming and =93tech=94 a= bility of those that I see commenting on the Talk Lists =96 in fact, half o= f the Talk List comments are greek to me. I continue to contract out to som= e true WebDNA experts that have been with the software for years. I will sh= are the observations that I shared with Smith Micro =96 who I feel we all a= gree mismanaged and had little care for supporting WebDNA.
As stated by Olin - Creating, managing, extending, modifying,? searching an= d editing databases is about as easy as it gets. Bottom line =96 it is VERY= simple and VERY powerful=85 Hell, I=92m a designer and I have managed to c= reate some pretty powerful solutions (even without the support of my contac= ted friends).
=A0
In my graduate schools days, I had a genius of a professor who was extremel= y successful (and quite wealthy) =96 he did nt have to teach, rather he cho= se to do so - he pointed out to students that companies and products will e= xist by falling into one of the following categories =96 They will:
=A0
Fail. (or)
Survive. (or)
Thrive.
WebDNA has survived.
=A0
I have shared this rather controversial position before privately, but this= time I throw it to the public forum and let you guys think about it.
=A0
WebDNA will never thrive as long as Php and MySQL is available for free =96= and it looks as if this will never change. If you polled WebDNA users over= the years you will see that MANY have migrated to Php/MySql already. It ha= s such a wide user base, tremendous support, is free and is supported by ne= arly every major hosting company.
=A0
My repeated suggestion =96 MAKE WEBDNA FREE and OPEN SOURCE. It is the only= way for WebDNA to thrive. WebDNA can=92t be making any real revenue with t= he prices at 65 per domain or 499 for unlimited domains? Refocus revenue ge= neration on DEVELOPED SOLUTIONS, GENERAL SUPPORT and CUSTOM SOLUTIONS SUPP= ORT AND PROGRAMMING. The ability to create custom solutions by all of you h= igh-end programmers will always be present.
=A0
This could potentially increase the install base at hosting companies on a = massive scale =96 how many times have we seen people simply looking for a h= osting company for WebDNA solutions? This in turn would lead to more exposu= re, availability and users.
=A0
There is currently tons of revenue being generated by solidly programmed ph= p solutions. In fact, if research were to be done across-the-board, you wou= ld see that well programmed and intuitively designed php solutions are bein= g sold for more that the current cost of WebDNA?
It must gain a much wider base or it will always remain a cool technology w= ith a small and specialized following =96 and it will simply survive.
=A0
I believe Olin=92s comments about the interface tool and positioning vs php= /mySQL is sharp and on target=85
Please understand =96 I believe in= WebDNA and I truly believe it can catch fire if =93marketed=94 correctly. = Sorry if I stirred the bee hive=85
Aloha, Davo (by way of Kauai, Savannah and now Louisville)On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Kenneth Grome
<kengrome@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
> My suggestion (and pl= ea) for WebDNA's future, is for
> Chris to consider =A0taking on more help from others, whom
> may want to offer it. Trying to do this all on your own
> is an effort in futility. If you get others involved,
> you'll be able to support the product easier.
It seems to me that this is *exactly* what some of us were
arguing for so vehemently a couple years ago.
We referred to is as "open source" ...
Sincerely,
Kenneth Grome
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