Re: [WebDNA] maybe silly suggestion? [founditems]
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texte = All great food for thought (as usual) Brian=85 and your example below = takes clues from OOP (in the context of what we can deliver with WebDNA = anyway). These ideals are harking on more =93advanced=94 programming concepts = (encapsulation, inheritance, etc..) which not everyone will get, = especially those that have not worked in other languages. The idea is = not only separation of code, but encapsulation of data, code-reuse, = etc..=20 Anytime this sort of thing is discussed, I think it needs to be thought = about in the context of standardized programming styles (MVC, OOP features, etc.)=85 especially for = attracting existing developers to WebDNA. Unfortunately, understanding these concepts to the point of anything = that resembles a good implimentation is just not something WSC is = equipped to do at the moment (no offense to WSC).=20 Keeping programming styles out of it and the discussion limited to = saving found item sets=85 I personally think, since there currently exists workarounds, WSC has = enough higher (more easily understood) priorities that would keep them = busy until they can hire the right people they need to make steps that = involve these kinds of changes for =93contemporary programming ideals=94.=20= Right now, your Table example, or even writing data sets to a file or a = variable, works.=20 Personally, I get excited when people like you (and Brian Burton, etc..) = start commenting on the forum. ;-) Now we just need to hear from people = like John peacock, Bob minor, Jay, John, grant, scott, etc.. All you = guys helped me advance in server-side web programming in some fashion.=20= my .02=A2 Donovan Just a side note.. I certainly think that OOP (and even MVC) is not = necessarily necessary in most of the projects being created in the Web = Programming world. Many would say different... especially .NET schooled = people. ;-) But it is over-kill in many cases IMO. Sometimes you just = want the ability to easily display and edit some data from a table. ;-) On Jan 15, 2015, at 1:41 PM, iPhonzie@G
wrote: > Chris - > I think I addressed your question briefly before: >=20 > "Internal to the WebDNA engine, this may well leverage the same code = as [table] - the [savefounditems] could create a private table and = [listfounditems] could execute a generic unranked search of that table=94 >=20 > So a saved found item set would essentially be a private table, that = the engine has access to but the developer can only access via = [listfounditems]. >=20 > I do similar things with currently available syntax in some cases, but = it=92s messy and could be much more efficient done in the WebDNA engine. >=20 > Here=92s the example using tables (sans performance optimizations): >=20 > [table name=3Dnamepeople&fields=3D[listfields = people.db][fieldname],[/listfields]][/table] > [search = db=3Dpeople.db&eqfirstnamedatarq=3D[firstname]&allhit=3D1&lastnamesort=3D1= &max=3D25] > [if [numfound]=3D0][then] > [DO ERROR STUFF] > [/then][else] > [founditems] > [append table=3Dnamepeople][listfields people.db][showif = [index]>1]&[/showif][fieldname]=3D[url][interpret][[fieldname]][/interpret= ][/url][/listfields][/append] > [/founditems] > [/else][/if] > [/search] >=20 > [table name=3Dcitypeople&fields=3D[listfields = people.db][fieldname],[/listfields]][/table] > [search = db=3Dpeople.db&eqcitydatarq=3D[city]&allhit=3D1&lastnamesort=3D1&firstname= sort=3D2&max=3D25] > [if [numfound]=3D0][then] > [DO ERROR STUFF] > [/then][else] > [founditems] > [append table=3Dcitypeople][listfields people.db][showif = [index]>1]&[/showif][fieldname]=3D[url][interpret][[fieldname]][/interpret= ][/url][/listfields][/append] > [/founditems] > [/else][/if] > [/search] >=20 > [function name=3Dshowpeople] > > [search = table=3D[params_string]&nefirstnamedatarq=3D_bogus_&rank=3Doff] > [founditems] > > | [index]] | > [firstname] | > [lastname] | > [city] | > [any field in people.db] | >
> [/founditems] > [/search] >
> [/function] >=20 > =85 >=20 > People named [firstname]: > [showpeople namepeople] >=20 > People from [city]: > [showpeople citypeople] >=20 >=20 > =97 Brian Fries >=20 > On January 15, 2015 at 11:16:15 AM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us = (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us) wrote: >=20 >> It seems to me a little complicated: let=92s take your example=20 >>=20 >> [search = people.db&eqfirstnamedatarq=3D[firstname]&allhit=3D1&lastnamesort=3D1&max=3D= 25]=20 >> [if [numfound]=3D0][then]=20 >> [DO ERROR STUFF]=20 >> [/then][else]=20 >> [savefounditems namepeople]=20 >> [/else][/if]=20 >> [/search]=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> This is fine for a two columns database, but if the database includes = 10 columns, is [savefounditems] supposed to store everything? what = should be the format of the data stored? how would it be sorted by = [showpeople namepeople]=20 >>=20 >> we could do that instead of [savefounditems namepeople]:=20 >>=20 >> [text]name[index]=3D[firstname],[/text]=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> which will give us=20 >>=20 >> name1=3DJim,name2=3DBob,name3=3DChris,name4=3DBrian=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> - chris=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> > On 15 Jan 2015, at 21:27, iPhonzie@G wrote:=20 >> >=20 >> > I really like the idea of [savefounditems] / [displayfounditems] = (or maybe [listfounditems] for consistency with other looping context = names).=20 >> >=20 >> > Chris, if your [sto] concept is about persistent globally available = values, then I don=92t think that applies to the need here - the saved = results generally only need to persist for the life of the current page.=20= >> >=20 >> > Internal to the WebDNA engine, this may well leverage the same code = as [table] - the [savefounditems] could create a private table and = [listfounditems] could execute a generic unranked search of that table=20= >> >=20 >> > With [savefounditems], you could save several sets of searches on = the same database, such as =93peoplenameddave=94 and = =93peoplefromalbuquerque=94, gathered at the top of your page with = appropriate error responses, etc. Later in the display portion of your = page you could call a common function to display HTML tables of Daves = and Albequerqians.=20 >> >=20 >> > So, given a page with formvariables =93firstname=94 and =93city=94, = the top of your code could do:=20 >> >=20 >> > [search = people.db&eqfirstnamedatarq=3D[firstname]&allhit=3D1&lastnamesort=3D1&max=3D= 25]=20 >> > [if [numfound]=3D0][then]=20 >> > DO ERROR STUFF]=20 >> > [/then][else]=20 >> > [savefounditems namepeople]=20 >> > [/else][/if]=20 >> > [/search]=20 >> >=20 >> > [search = people.db&eqcitydatarq=3D[city]&allhit=3D1&lastnamesort=3D1&firstnamesort=3D= 2&max=3D25]=20 >> > [if [numfound]=3D0][then]=20 >> > DO ERROR STUFF]=20 >> > [/then][else]=20 >> > [savefounditems citypeople]=20 >> > [/else][/if]=20 >> > [/search]=20 >> >=20 >> > [function name=3Dshowpeople]=20 >> > =20 >> > [listfounditems [params_string]]=20 >> > = | [index]] | [firstname] | [lastname] | [city] | [any field in people.db] |
=20 >> > [/listfounditems]=20 >> >
=20 >> > [/function]=20 >> >=20 >> > Later in the display code you could do:=20 >> >=20 >> > People named [firstname]:=20 >> > [showpeople namepeople]=20 >> >=20 >> > People from [city]:=20 >> > [showpeople citypeople]=20 >> >=20 >> >=20 >> > =97 Brian Fries=20 >> >=20 >> > On January 15, 2015 at 9:55:07 AM, Terry Wilson = (terry@terryfic.com) wrote:=20 >> >=20 >> >> Or just put the search parameters in a variable up top to retrieve = as needed with showifs. This is quite handy for repurposing found items = loops, such as a nicely formatted table of info that is sorted by = various fields (just discussed this a few days ago). This has the added = benefit of letting you keep constants like eventdatetype=3Ddate, max=3D25,= etc in the actual search code to keep your parameters easier to read = and manage. This would certainly put your controller logic separate from = your display code.=20 >> >>=20 >> >> [showif = [somesearch]=3Dt][text]searchforwhat=3Ddb=3Dallthethings.db&blahblahblah[/= text][/showif]=20 >> >> [showif = [someothersearch]=3Dt][text]searchforwhat=3Ddb=3Dallthethings.db&blahblahb= lah[/text][/showif]=20 >> >>=20 >> >> [search [searchforwhat]&max=3D25&lastnamesort=3D1]=20 >> >>=20 >> >> >=20 >> >> >=20 >> >> > On Jan 14, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Brian Burton = wrote:=20 >> >> >=20 >> >> >> to help separate my controller logic from my display code it = would be awesome to have a shortcut like:=20 >> >> >> [search db=3Dallthethings.db&blahblahblah][savefounditems = name=3Dpeoplenameddave][/search]=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >> then later in the page, where i=92m rendering the html=20 >> >> >> [displayfounditems use=3Dpeoplenameddave] html things = [/displayfounditems]=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >> I know it looks like it=92s not saving that much code, but I = can see switching which search I want in the controller, and still being = able to use a universal founditems loop lower in the code. Also the = ability to reuse search results (if needed) without doing the same = search again.=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >> ok, feel free to start telling me how you can do this with a = table (you=92re missing the point) or how we don=92t need more tags or = whatever :)=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >> -Brian B. Burton=20 >> >>=20 >> > --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . = To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us=20 >>=20 >> ---------------------------------------------------------=20 >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to=20 >> the mailing list .=20 >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: =20 >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us=20 >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To = unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us
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All great food for thought (as usual) Brian=85 and your example below = takes clues from OOP (in the context of what we can deliver with WebDNA = anyway). These ideals are harking on more =93advanced=94 programming concepts = (encapsulation, inheritance, etc..) which not everyone will get, = especially those that have not worked in other languages. The idea is = not only separation of code, but encapsulation of data, code-reuse, = etc..=20 Anytime this sort of thing is discussed, I think it needs to be thought = about in the context of standardized programming styles (MVC, OOP features, etc.)=85 especially for = attracting existing developers to WebDNA. Unfortunately, understanding these concepts to the point of anything = that resembles a good implimentation is just not something WSC is = equipped to do at the moment (no offense to WSC).=20 Keeping programming styles out of it and the discussion limited to = saving found item sets=85 I personally think, since there currently exists workarounds, WSC has = enough higher (more easily understood) priorities that would keep them = busy until they can hire the right people they need to make steps that = involve these kinds of changes for =93contemporary programming ideals=94.=20= Right now, your Table example, or even writing data sets to a file or a = variable, works.=20 Personally, I get excited when people like you (and Brian Burton, etc..) = start commenting on the forum. ;-) Now we just need to hear from people = like John peacock, Bob minor, Jay, John, grant, scott, etc.. All you = guys helped me advance in server-side web programming in some fashion.=20= my .02=A2 Donovan Just a side note.. I certainly think that OOP (and even MVC) is not = necessarily necessary in most of the projects being created in the Web = Programming world. Many would say different... especially .NET schooled = people. ;-) But it is over-kill in many cases IMO. Sometimes you just = want the ability to easily display and edit some data from a table. ;-) On Jan 15, 2015, at 1:41 PM, iPhonzie@G wrote: > Chris - > I think I addressed your question briefly before: >=20 > "Internal to the WebDNA engine, this may well leverage the same code = as [table] - the [savefounditems] could create a private table and = [listfounditems] could execute a generic unranked search of that table=94 >=20 > So a saved found item set would essentially be a private table, that = the engine has access to but the developer can only access via = [listfounditems]. >=20 > I do similar things with currently available syntax in some cases, but = it=92s messy and could be much more efficient done in the WebDNA engine. >=20 > Here=92s the example using tables (sans performance optimizations): >=20 > [table name=3Dnamepeople&fields=3D[listfields = people.db][fieldname],[/listfields]][/table] > [search = db=3Dpeople.db&eqfirstnamedatarq=3D[firstname]&allhit=3D1&lastnamesort=3D1= &max=3D25] > [if [numfound]=3D0][then] > [DO ERROR STUFF] > [/then][else] > [founditems] > [append table=3Dnamepeople][listfields people.db][showif = [index]>1]&[/showif][fieldname]=3D[url][interpret][[fieldname]][/interpret= ][/url][/listfields][/append] > [/founditems] > [/else][/if] > [/search] >=20 > [table name=3Dcitypeople&fields=3D[listfields = people.db][fieldname],[/listfields]][/table] > [search = db=3Dpeople.db&eqcitydatarq=3D[city]&allhit=3D1&lastnamesort=3D1&firstname= sort=3D2&max=3D25] > [if [numfound]=3D0][then] > [DO ERROR STUFF] > [/then][else] > [founditems] > [append table=3Dcitypeople][listfields people.db][showif = [index]>1]&[/showif][fieldname]=3D[url][interpret][[fieldname]][/interpret= ][/url][/listfields][/append] > [/founditems] > [/else][/if] > [/search] >=20 > [function name=3Dshowpeople] > > [search = table=3D[params_string]&nefirstnamedatarq=3D_bogus_&rank=3Doff] > [founditems] > > | [index]] | > [firstname] | > [lastname] | > [city] | > [any field in people.db] | >
> [/founditems] > [/search] >
> [/function] >=20 > =85 >=20 > People named [firstname]: > [showpeople namepeople] >=20 > People from [city]: > [showpeople citypeople] >=20 >=20 > =97 Brian Fries >=20 > On January 15, 2015 at 11:16:15 AM, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us = (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us) wrote: >=20 >> It seems to me a little complicated: let=92s take your example=20 >>=20 >> [search = people.db&eqfirstnamedatarq=3D[firstname]&allhit=3D1&lastnamesort=3D1&max=3D= 25]=20 >> [if [numfound]=3D0][then]=20 >> [DO ERROR STUFF]=20 >> [/then][else]=20 >> [savefounditems namepeople]=20 >> [/else][/if]=20 >> [/search]=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> This is fine for a two columns database, but if the database includes = 10 columns, is [savefounditems] supposed to store everything? what = should be the format of the data stored? how would it be sorted by = [showpeople namepeople]=20 >>=20 >> we could do that instead of [savefounditems namepeople]:=20 >>=20 >> [text]name[index]=3D[firstname],[/text]=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> which will give us=20 >>=20 >> name1=3DJim,name2=3DBob,name3=3DChris,name4=3DBrian=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> - chris=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> > On 15 Jan 2015, at 21:27, iPhonzie@G wrote:=20 >> >=20 >> > I really like the idea of [savefounditems] / [displayfounditems] = (or maybe [listfounditems] for consistency with other looping context = names).=20 >> >=20 >> > Chris, if your [sto] concept is about persistent globally available = values, then I don=92t think that applies to the need here - the saved = results generally only need to persist for the life of the current page.=20= >> >=20 >> > Internal to the WebDNA engine, this may well leverage the same code = as [table] - the [savefounditems] could create a private table and = [listfounditems] could execute a generic unranked search of that table=20= >> >=20 >> > With [savefounditems], you could save several sets of searches on = the same database, such as =93peoplenameddave=94 and = =93peoplefromalbuquerque=94, gathered at the top of your page with = appropriate error responses, etc. Later in the display portion of your = page you could call a common function to display HTML tables of Daves = and Albequerqians.=20 >> >=20 >> > So, given a page with formvariables =93firstname=94 and =93city=94, = the top of your code could do:=20 >> >=20 >> > [search = people.db&eqfirstnamedatarq=3D[firstname]&allhit=3D1&lastnamesort=3D1&max=3D= 25]=20 >> > [if [numfound]=3D0][then]=20 >> > DO ERROR STUFF]=20 >> > [/then][else]=20 >> > [savefounditems namepeople]=20 >> > [/else][/if]=20 >> > [/search]=20 >> >=20 >> > [search = people.db&eqcitydatarq=3D[city]&allhit=3D1&lastnamesort=3D1&firstnamesort=3D= 2&max=3D25]=20 >> > [if [numfound]=3D0][then]=20 >> > DO ERROR STUFF]=20 >> > [/then][else]=20 >> > [savefounditems citypeople]=20 >> > [/else][/if]=20 >> > [/search]=20 >> >=20 >> > [function name=3Dshowpeople]=20 >> > =20 >> > [listfounditems [params_string]]=20 >> > = | [index]] | [firstname] | [lastname] | [city] | [any field in people.db] |
=20 >> > [/listfounditems]=20 >> >
=20 >> > [/function]=20 >> >=20 >> > Later in the display code you could do:=20 >> >=20 >> > People named [firstname]:=20 >> > [showpeople namepeople]=20 >> >=20 >> > People from [city]:=20 >> > [showpeople citypeople]=20 >> >=20 >> >=20 >> > =97 Brian Fries=20 >> >=20 >> > On January 15, 2015 at 9:55:07 AM, Terry Wilson = (terry@terryfic.com) wrote:=20 >> >=20 >> >> Or just put the search parameters in a variable up top to retrieve = as needed with showifs. This is quite handy for repurposing found items = loops, such as a nicely formatted table of info that is sorted by = various fields (just discussed this a few days ago). This has the added = benefit of letting you keep constants like eventdatetype=3Ddate, max=3D25,= etc in the actual search code to keep your parameters easier to read = and manage. This would certainly put your controller logic separate from = your display code.=20 >> >>=20 >> >> [showif = [somesearch]=3Dt][text]searchforwhat=3Ddb=3Dallthethings.db&blahblahblah[/= text][/showif]=20 >> >> [showif = [someothersearch]=3Dt][text]searchforwhat=3Ddb=3Dallthethings.db&blahblahb= lah[/text][/showif]=20 >> >>=20 >> >> [search [searchforwhat]&max=3D25&lastnamesort=3D1]=20 >> >>=20 >> >> >=20 >> >> >=20 >> >> > On Jan 14, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Brian Burton = wrote:=20 >> >> >=20 >> >> >> to help separate my controller logic from my display code it = would be awesome to have a shortcut like:=20 >> >> >> [search db=3Dallthethings.db&blahblahblah][savefounditems = name=3Dpeoplenameddave][/search]=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >> then later in the page, where i=92m rendering the html=20 >> >> >> [displayfounditems use=3Dpeoplenameddave] html things = [/displayfounditems]=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >> I know it looks like it=92s not saving that much code, but I = can see switching which search I want in the controller, and still being = able to use a universal founditems loop lower in the code. Also the = ability to reuse search results (if needed) without doing the same = search again.=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >> ok, feel free to start telling me how you can do this with a = table (you=92re missing the point) or how we don=92t need more tags or = whatever :)=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >> -Brian B. Burton=20 >> >>=20 >> > --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . = To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us=20 >>=20 >> ---------------------------------------------------------=20 >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to=20 >> the mailing list .=20 >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: =20 >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us=20 >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To = unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: = http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us
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