Re: [WebDNA] Apple nixes Mac OS Server ("websites") and other
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texte = 1553 Thanks Chris What would your recommendations be if the perspective is Apple leaving = the server.app and leaving Apache out. What would I need to focus on if my prerequisites are running WebDNA on = a Mac? Would it be WebMin + ?? /Palle > On 30 Jan 2018, at 05.50, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >=20 > Agreed with Michael: the WebServer from Apple is a very personalized = version of a "normal" webserver (linux) and the documentation is very = weak. For instance, the last High Sierra version uses an almost = undocumented local proxy that does not return all the information WebDNA = is expecting from apache. >=20 > We will design a new installer for the next version, but more than = ever it will run on a clean OSX server installation. It will be too = complicated to take a specific customization into account. >=20 > I strongly suggest linux, it is safe, cheaper, faster and not more = difficult to manage. >=20 > - chris >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Jan 29, 2018, at 23:35, Michael Davis
wrote: >>=20 >> Palle, >>=20 >> Personally, I will be glad to have Apple keep their hands off of = Apache. The Server.app has always been geared toward internal LAN = services rather than as a "control panel" that might help those of us = that serve web sites publicly. Their squid cache setup has just = convoluted the conf files and made it harder to run a professional level = web host (just try changing ports on these services, for instance = because you want to run your own accelerator cache like Varnish on port = 80. Can't do it). What remains to be seen is whether discontinuing the = websites in the Server.app will actually free up Apache from the = mungling hands of Apple or whether there will still be custom conf = directories that tie http services to some other service. >>=20 >> If you like using the Apple GUI to manage web sites, you'll probably = be even happier with the WebMin GUI, which you would be free to use once = Apple gets out of the way in the Apache conf directory. >>=20 >> Like I said, I'm glad to see them step away from the web services, as = the Server.app has slowly become more crippled over the years, with each = update removing functionality, rather than adding it. Just try = monitoring your smtp queue in Server.app 5 for instance. It's no longer = there. So I welcome Apple staying away from Apache and allowing me to = configure it without worrying about whether the conf files are going to = be overwritten by the Server.app. >>=20 >>=20 >> Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us > archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us --------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us .
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1553 Thanks Chris What would your recommendations be if the perspective is Apple leaving = the server.app and leaving Apache out. What would I need to focus on if my prerequisites are running WebDNA on = a Mac? Would it be WebMin + ?? /Palle > On 30 Jan 2018, at 05.50, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >=20 > Agreed with Michael: the WebServer from Apple is a very personalized = version of a "normal" webserver (linux) and the documentation is very = weak. For instance, the last High Sierra version uses an almost = undocumented local proxy that does not return all the information WebDNA = is expecting from apache. >=20 > We will design a new installer for the next version, but more than = ever it will run on a clean OSX server installation. It will be too = complicated to take a specific customization into account. >=20 > I strongly suggest linux, it is safe, cheaper, faster and not more = difficult to manage. >=20 > - chris >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Jan 29, 2018, at 23:35, Michael Davis wrote: >>=20 >> Palle, >>=20 >> Personally, I will be glad to have Apple keep their hands off of = Apache. The Server.app has always been geared toward internal LAN = services rather than as a "control panel" that might help those of us = that serve web sites publicly. Their squid cache setup has just = convoluted the conf files and made it harder to run a professional level = web host (just try changing ports on these services, for instance = because you want to run your own accelerator cache like Varnish on port = 80. Can't do it). What remains to be seen is whether discontinuing the = websites in the Server.app will actually free up Apache from the = mungling hands of Apple or whether there will still be custom conf = directories that tie http services to some other service. >>=20 >> If you like using the Apple GUI to manage web sites, you'll probably = be even happier with the WebMin GUI, which you would be free to use once = Apple gets out of the way in the Apache conf directory. >>=20 >> Like I said, I'm glad to see them step away from the web services, as = the Server.app has slowly become more crippled over the years, with each = update removing functionality, rather than adding it. Just try = monitoring your smtp queue in Server.app 5 for instance. It's no longer = there. So I welcome Apple staying away from Apache and allowing me to = configure it without worrying about whether the conf files are going to = be overwritten by the Server.app. >>=20 >>=20 >> Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us > archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us --------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us .
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