Re: [WebDNA] Apple nixes Mac OS Server ("websites") and other services

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texte = 1617 --001a11c17834f04c0505666ab814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I second the move to Linux for WebDNA. Try it on VirtualBox and you'll be set no matter your coding platform of choice. On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Brian Harrington wrote: > Amen Michael...! Every new install or update gives me a new frustrating > experience configuring Apache and file permissions! That's why I'm still = on > Snow Leopard! And another thing... I'm the sole user and have file sharin= g > off and logged into the computer... I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO ENTER A PASSWORD > FOR EVERY FILE MOVE! and have to reset file permissions to folders that > already have RW permissions! > > It's funny though... without the internet computers are pretty much > useless and I'm sure they would not sell as many without the internet!!! > They are backing away from the internet because they can't control it lik= e > their APP store that they make many many millions on! > > On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 8:35 PM, Michael Davis > wrote: > >> Palle, >> >> Personally, I will be glad to have Apple keep their hands off of Apache. >> The Server.app has always been geared toward internal LAN services rathe= r >> than as a "control panel" that might help those of us that serve web sit= es >> publicly. Their squid cache setup has just convoluted the conf files an= d >> made it harder to run a professional level web host (just try changing >> ports on these services, for instance because you want to run your own >> accelerator cache like Varnish on port 80. Can't do it). What remains = to >> be seen is whether discontinuing the websites in the Server.app will >> actually free up Apache from the mungling hands of Apple or whether ther= e >> will still be custom conf directories that tie http services to some oth= er >> service. >> >> If you like using the Apple GUI to manage web sites, you'll probably be >> even happier with the WebMin GUI, which you would be free to use once Ap= ple >> gets out of the way in the Apache conf directory. >> >> Like I said, I'm glad to see them step away from the web services, as th= e >> Server.app has slowly become more crippled over the years, with each upd= ate >> removing functionality, rather than adding it. Just try monitoring your >> smtp queue in Server.app 5 for instance. It's no longer there. So I >> welcome Apple staying away from Apache and allowing me to configure it >> without worrying about whether the conf files are going to be overwritte= n >> by the Server.app. >> >> >> Mike >> >> > On Jan 29, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Palle Bo Nielsen < >> powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote: >> > >> > Hi all and specifically to Christpohe >> > >> > Maybe you have already seen the announcement from Apple >> > >> >>> Prepare for changes to macOS Server << >> > >> > Which is elaborated when reading the text/information within thi URL >> > >> >>> https://support.apple.com/da-dk/HT208312 << >> > >> > Basically Apple informs that Mac OS Server will not included a series >> of services in the next version. Of interest to this talklist is the fac= t >> that Apple will no longer support the =E2=80=98Websites=E2=80=99 within = Mac OS Server. The >> recommend the following as an alternative. >> > >> > =E2=80=A2 Apache HTTP Server >> > =E2=80=A2 Nginx >> > =E2=80=A2 Lighttpd >> > >> > So not trying to start a discussion about Mac. I would rather talk >> about how we can secure that WebDNA and Mac will be able to continue han= d >> in hand, >> > >> > How will we be able to run WebDNA on a Mac in the future. Christophe, >> have you had any thoughts? >> > >> > /Palle--------------------------------------------------------- >> > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> > the mailing list talk@webdna.us >> > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us >> > archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 >> > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list talk@webdna.us >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us >> archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> > > --------------------------------------------------------- This message is > sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: > http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.u= s > --001a11c17834f04c0505666ab814 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I second the move to Linux for WebDNA. Try it on VirtualBo= x and you'll be set no matter your coding platform of choice.=C2=A0

On Tue, Jan 30,= 2018 at 5:15 PM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
Amen Michael= ....! Every new install or update gives me a new frustrating experience conf= iguring Apache and file permissions! That's why I'm still on Snow L= eopard! And another thing... I'm the sole user and have file sharing of= f and logged into the computer... I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO ENTER A PASSWORD FOR= EVERY FILE MOVE! and have to reset file permissions to folders that alread= y have RW permissions!=C2=A0

It's funny though... wi= thout the internet computers are pretty much useless and I'm sure they = would not sell as many without the internet!!! They are backing away from t= he internet because they can't control it like their APP store that the= y make many many millions on!

On Mon, J= an 29, 2018 at 8:35 PM, Michael Davis <admin@network13.net> wrote:
Palle,

Personally, I will be glad to have Apple keep their hands off of Apache.=C2= =A0 The Server.app has always been geared toward internal LAN services rath= er than as a "control panel" that might help those of us that ser= ve web sites publicly.=C2=A0 Their squid cache setup has just convoluted th= e conf files and made it harder to run a professional level web host (just = try changing ports on these services, for instance because you want to run = your own accelerator cache like Varnish on port 80.=C2=A0 Can't do it).= =C2=A0 What remains to be seen is whether discontinuing the websites in the= Server.app will actually free up Apache from the mungling hands of Apple o= r whether there will still be custom conf directories that tie http service= s to some other service.

If you like using the Apple GUI to manage web sites, you'll probably be= even happier with the WebMin GUI, which you would be free to use once Appl= e gets out of the way in the Apache conf directory.

Like I said, I'm glad to see them step away from the web services, as t= he Server.app has slowly become more crippled over the years, with each upd= ate removing functionality, rather than adding it.=C2=A0 Just try monitorin= g your smtp queue in Server.app 5 for instance.=C2=A0 It's no longer th= ere.=C2=A0 So I welcome Apple staying away from Apache and allowing me to c= onfigure it without worrying about whether the conf files are going to be o= verwritten by the Server.app.


Mike

> On Jan 29, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Palle Bo Nielsen <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk>= wrote:
>
> Hi all and specifically to Christpohe
>
> Maybe you have already seen the announcement from Apple
>
>>> Prepare for changes to macOS Server <<
>
> Which is elaborated when reading the text/information within thi URL >
>>> https://support.apple.com/da-dk/HT208312 <<
>
> Basically Apple informs that Mac OS Server will not included a series = of services in the next version. Of interest to this talklist is the fact t= hat Apple will no longer support the =E2=80=98Websites=E2=80=99 within Mac = OS Server. The recommend the following as an alternative.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Apache HTTP Server
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Nginx
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Lighttpd
>
> So not trying to start a discussion about Mac. I would rather talk abo= ut how we can secure that WebDNA and Mac will be able to continue hand in h= and,
>
> How will we be able to run WebDNA on a Mac in the future. Christophe, = have you had any thoughts?
>
> /Palle------------------------------------------------------= ---
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  1. Re: [WebDNA] Apple nixes Mac OS Server ("websites") and other services (William DeVaul 2018)
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  3. [WebDNA] Apple nixes Mac OS Server ("websites") and other services (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
1617 --001a11c17834f04c0505666ab814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I second the move to Linux for WebDNA. Try it on VirtualBox and you'll be set no matter your coding platform of choice. On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Brian Harrington wrote: > Amen Michael...! Every new install or update gives me a new frustrating > experience configuring Apache and file permissions! That's why I'm still = on > Snow Leopard! And another thing... I'm the sole user and have file sharin= g > off and logged into the computer... I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO ENTER A PASSWORD > FOR EVERY FILE MOVE! and have to reset file permissions to folders that > already have RW permissions! > > It's funny though... without the internet computers are pretty much > useless and I'm sure they would not sell as many without the internet!!! > They are backing away from the internet because they can't control it lik= e > their APP store that they make many many millions on! > > On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 8:35 PM, Michael Davis > wrote: > >> Palle, >> >> Personally, I will be glad to have Apple keep their hands off of Apache. >> The Server.app has always been geared toward internal LAN services rathe= r >> than as a "control panel" that might help those of us that serve web sit= es >> publicly. Their squid cache setup has just convoluted the conf files an= d >> made it harder to run a professional level web host (just try changing >> ports on these services, for instance because you want to run your own >> accelerator cache like Varnish on port 80. Can't do it). What remains = to >> be seen is whether discontinuing the websites in the Server.app will >> actually free up Apache from the mungling hands of Apple or whether ther= e >> will still be custom conf directories that tie http services to some oth= er >> service. >> >> If you like using the Apple GUI to manage web sites, you'll probably be >> even happier with the WebMin GUI, which you would be free to use once Ap= ple >> gets out of the way in the Apache conf directory. >> >> Like I said, I'm glad to see them step away from the web services, as th= e >> Server.app has slowly become more crippled over the years, with each upd= ate >> removing functionality, rather than adding it. Just try monitoring your >> smtp queue in Server.app 5 for instance. It's no longer there. So I >> welcome Apple staying away from Apache and allowing me to configure it >> without worrying about whether the conf files are going to be overwritte= n >> by the Server.app. >> >> >> Mike >> >> > On Jan 29, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Palle Bo Nielsen < >> powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote: >> > >> > Hi all and specifically to Christpohe >> > >> > Maybe you have already seen the announcement from Apple >> > >> >>> Prepare for changes to macOS Server << >> > >> > Which is elaborated when reading the text/information within thi URL >> > >> >>> https://support.apple.com/da-dk/HT208312 << >> > >> > Basically Apple informs that Mac OS Server will not included a series >> of services in the next version. Of interest to this talklist is the fac= t >> that Apple will no longer support the =E2=80=98Websites=E2=80=99 within = Mac OS Server. The >> recommend the following as an alternative. >> > >> > =E2=80=A2 Apache HTTP Server >> > =E2=80=A2 Nginx >> > =E2=80=A2 Lighttpd >> > >> > So not trying to start a discussion about Mac. I would rather talk >> about how we can secure that WebDNA and Mac will be able to continue han= d >> in hand, >> > >> > How will we be able to run WebDNA on a Mac in the future. Christophe, >> have you had any thoughts? >> > >> > /Palle--------------------------------------------------------- >> > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> > the mailing list talk@webdna.us >> > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us >> > archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 >> > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list talk@webdna.us >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us >> archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> > > --------------------------------------------------------- This message is > sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: > http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: support@webdna.u= s > --001a11c17834f04c0505666ab814 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I second the move to Linux for WebDNA. Try it on VirtualBo= x and you'll be set no matter your coding platform of choice.=C2=A0

On Tue, Jan 30,= 2018 at 5:15 PM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
Amen Michael= ....! Every new install or update gives me a new frustrating experience conf= iguring Apache and file permissions! That's why I'm still on Snow L= eopard! And another thing... I'm the sole user and have file sharing of= f and logged into the computer... I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO ENTER A PASSWORD FOR= EVERY FILE MOVE! and have to reset file permissions to folders that alread= y have RW permissions!=C2=A0

It's funny though... wi= thout the internet computers are pretty much useless and I'm sure they = would not sell as many without the internet!!! They are backing away from t= he internet because they can't control it like their APP store that the= y make many many millions on!

On Mon, J= an 29, 2018 at 8:35 PM, Michael Davis <admin@network13.net> wrote:
Palle,

Personally, I will be glad to have Apple keep their hands off of Apache.=C2= =A0 The Server.app has always been geared toward internal LAN services rath= er than as a "control panel" that might help those of us that ser= ve web sites publicly.=C2=A0 Their squid cache setup has just convoluted th= e conf files and made it harder to run a professional level web host (just = try changing ports on these services, for instance because you want to run = your own accelerator cache like Varnish on port 80.=C2=A0 Can't do it).= =C2=A0 What remains to be seen is whether discontinuing the websites in the= Server.app will actually free up Apache from the mungling hands of Apple o= r whether there will still be custom conf directories that tie http service= s to some other service.

If you like using the Apple GUI to manage web sites, you'll probably be= even happier with the WebMin GUI, which you would be free to use once Appl= e gets out of the way in the Apache conf directory.

Like I said, I'm glad to see them step away from the web services, as t= he Server.app has slowly become more crippled over the years, with each upd= ate removing functionality, rather than adding it.=C2=A0 Just try monitorin= g your smtp queue in Server.app 5 for instance.=C2=A0 It's no longer th= ere.=C2=A0 So I welcome Apple staying away from Apache and allowing me to c= onfigure it without worrying about whether the conf files are going to be o= verwritten by the Server.app.


Mike

> On Jan 29, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Palle Bo Nielsen <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk>= wrote:
>
> Hi all and specifically to Christpohe
>
> Maybe you have already seen the announcement from Apple
>
>>> Prepare for changes to macOS Server <<
>
> Which is elaborated when reading the text/information within thi URL >
>>> https://support.apple.com/da-dk/HT208312 <<
>
> Basically Apple informs that Mac OS Server will not included a series = of services in the next version. Of interest to this talklist is the fact t= hat Apple will no longer support the =E2=80=98Websites=E2=80=99 within Mac = OS Server. The recommend the following as an alternative.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Apache HTTP Server
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Nginx
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Lighttpd
>
> So not trying to start a discussion about Mac. I would rather talk abo= ut how we can secure that WebDNA and Mac will be able to continue hand in h= and,
>
> How will we be able to run WebDNA on a Mac in the future. Christophe, = have you had any thoughts?
>
> /Palle------------------------------------------------------= ---
> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to
> the mailing list t= alk@webdna.us
> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us
> archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D= 55
> Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us

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